[Alf]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I'm surprised Trump isn't being put on trial for murder, even though there is no dead body or even a murder.

Clearly a witch hunt of the worst degree. The thing is they're not even hiding what they're doing to Trump. It's so obvious, surely even to Trump haters.

There's nowhere for them to hide. Trump has brought them into the spotlight for us all to see.

[Liam-]

He’s not having a good time

[bitontheslide]

its converging from so many points now that any sensible person will know he is guilty. However, we are talking about America, even if he is found guilty of anything, he can still run for president and then pardon himself if he wins

[Alf]

Mike Graham exposes TDS

[The Slim Reaper]

Perfectly normal.

[LeatherTrumpet]

no lies spotted Don

[Alf]

Where is Trump's mugshot?

If there was one they would have it plastered all over the news 24/7.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Where is Trump's mugshot?

If there was one they would have it plastered all over the news 24/7.

He doesn't need one, because he's a fairly recognisable person.

Or...the military are in charge and are just playing along with his arraignments until they decide to leash hell fire down on the corrupt DoJ?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He doesn't need one, because he's a fairly recognisable person.

Or...the military are in charge and are just playing along with his arraignments until they decide to leash hell fire down on the corrupt DoJ?

There's far more truth in your second paragraph.

You meant it sarcastically, but little did you know that you're over the target with that theory.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

There's far more truth in your second paragraph.

You meant it sarcastically, but little did you know that you're over the target with that theory.

i know, my brother. Don't worry...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Donald Trump's mounting legal troubles have not dented his status as the clear
frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. In fact, the criminal
charges have strengthened his position.

[bitontheslide]

we live in a crazy world. Who knows what will happen over the next couple of years

[The Slim Reaper]

God is coming for Jack Smith and Pelosi (for some reason).

Legal obstruction from a supreme being wasn't on my bingo card, to be honest.

[bitontheslide]

bring out the Kraken

[The Slim Reaper]

Checkmate.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

God is coming for Jack Smith and Pelosi (for some reason).

Legal obstruction from a supreme being wasn't on my bingo card, to be honest.

Trump is God. Or at least the son of God.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The anti-Christ would make a mockery of him.

Now I'm coming from the same religious beliefs as you. But the Americans really believe in this stuff. Which means the anti-Christ has meaning to them. Christianity has good morals and principles to live by. The alternative is bad morals and principles. You might even be able to fool people to believing that men can be women if there's no principles involved.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

The anti-Christ would make a mockery of him.

Now I'm coming from the same religious beliefs as you. But the Americans really believe in this stuff. Which means the anti-Christ has meaning to them. Christianity has good morals and principles to live by. The alternative is bad morals and principles. You might even be able to fool people to believing that men can be women if there's no principles involved.

I know you tried desperately hard to shoehorn that last sentence in, but if anything you tried too hard, because absolutely none of that paragraph makes any sense whatsoever

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I know you tried desperately hard to shoehorn that last sentence in, but if anything you tried too hard, because absolutely none of that paragraph makes any sense whatsoever

Give me a break. I've been on the lager since 2pm

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Give me a break. I've been on the lager since 2pm

Judging by that post, I hope you mean yesterday

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Judging by that post, I hope you mean yesterday

I was up at 4. Started work at 6:30. Home for 2 and straight on it. I'm still hard-core in my mid forties.

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/co...p-disqualified

Conservative Legal Scholars Argue Trump Is Disqualified for Office Under 14th Amendment

"Donald Trump cannot be president—cannot run for president, cannot become president, cannot hold office—unless two-thirds of Congress decides to grant him amnesty for his conduct on January 6."

A pair of conservative legal scholars argue in a newly released paper that, under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, former President Donald Trump is disqualified to hold office again, echoing a case long made by progressive experts and watchdogs.

In an in-depth analysis of Section 3, William Baude of the University of Chicago and Michael Stokes Paulsen of the University of St. Thomas contend that the clause "remains of direct and dramatic relevance today" even though it arose from "a particular historical situation and acute problem arising in the aftermath of the Civil War"—namely, the decision by Southern states to send supporters of secession and rebellion to Congress.

"Fast-forward a century and a half. The events surrounding efforts to overturn the result of the presidential election of 2020 have sparked renewed scholarly, judicial, and political interest in Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment," noted Baude and Paulsen, both active members of the right-wing Federalist Society. "Several of the people involved in these events—most notably the defeated president, Donald Trump—had previously taken oaths to support the Constitution."

"If they engaged in or gave aid and comfort to an insurrection against the constitutional government," they added, "Section 3 would appear to bar them from holding office again."

Trump, the frontrunner in the 2024 Republican presidential primary, is currently facing a number of felony charges stemming from his role in attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election and inciting the January 6, 2021 insurrection, including conspiracy to defraud the United States and "conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted."

Special Counsel Jack Smith, who laid out the charges last week in a 45-page indictment, has proposed a January 2, 2024 trial date.

But legal experts and historians have argued that Trump is disqualified for office under Section 3 whether or not he is convicted.

The clause states that "no person shall be a senator or representative in Congress, or elector of president and vice president, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Only a two-thirds vote by both chambers of Congress can lift the disqualification.

"Trump is disqualified from holding any public office, including the office of the president, under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment."

In their new paper, Baude and Paulsen wrote that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment—known as the insurrection clause—is "self-executing, operating as an immediate disqualification from office, without the need for additional action by Congress."

"It can and should be enforced by every official, state or federal, who judges qualifications," Baude and Paulsen argued, rejecting the notion that the First Amendment shields those who have engaged in or incited insurrection from disqualification under Section 3.

The clause, the pair added, "covers a broad range of former offices, including the presidency. And in particular, it disqualifies former President Donald Trump, and potentially many others, because of their participation in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election."

John Bonifaz, co-founder and president of Free Speech for People, called the new paper a "must-read for every secretary of state" and "chief election official in the country."

"As this article makes clear, they must follow the mandate of 14.3 [and] bar Trump from the ballot," Bonifaz wrote. "If they do not, we will sue."

Free Speech for People is one of several advocacy groups preparing to take legal action if Trump is not disqualified.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington argued in a report that "overwhelming evidence establishes that President Trump was the central cause of and a participant in the insurrection. Because of that, Trump is disqualified from holding any public office, including the office of the president, under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment."

Last September, a New Mexico judge ordered the removal of a county commissioner who took part in the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. The decision marked the first time since 1869 that a court disqualified a public official under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

In an interview with The New York Times on Thursday, Paulsen suggested the new paper could bolster "a lawsuit presenting a vital constitutional issue that potentially the Supreme Court would want to hear and decide."

Baude, the paper's other co-author, summarized the pair's conclusion to the Times: "Donald Trump cannot be president—cannot run for president, cannot become president, cannot hold office—unless two-thirds of Congress decides to grant him amnesty for his conduct on January 6."

[Soldier Boy]

The hardcore Trumpers won't care and that's monumental - because basically what you have, then, is traditionally hardcore American flag-wavers saying "the constitution no longer means anything". But this is the same group constantly rooting many of their core beliefs in the Second Amendment. A group genuinely traditionally hard-line to the US constitution. It sits at the core of pretty much "everything American"... and would (normally) outweigh any individual or want. But I think the Cult Of Trump will over-rule. And they'll admit no hypocrisy whilst still bleating on about the second amendment. That's just 2020's discourse in a nutshell really.