[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I see we've arrived at "you told a joke about a woman dying of cancer" part 2

report me for cultural or sexual appropriation if you find it so disgusting, but tell someone else about it, rather than joining the southern belles who fan themselves down every time I post.

Now that could be seen as misogynistic, so be sure to add that into the report.

It was condescending slim.

Unintentionally I know. But still condescending. That's all I have to say. Enjoy the rest of your board meeting chairman.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You said in the other thread that you liked the moderate right (aka John Major). Everything you don't like is far left from the little I read your posts, but far left is communism. Trans people weren't a consideration during the Bolshevik revolution. Corbyn is a democratic socialist who supports trans rights, so no, neither of us have any idea where you stand politically. You use woke far left as a pejorative, and then you link trans rights to the far left, which sort of puts yourself in the space of using slurs to describe anyone who supports trans people. It shows that you're regurgitating, not actually understanding what you're saying.

Every attempt to step on a minority group always starts and ends with the pretense of protecting the larger group, when both groups can be lifted up and protected at the same time if we work together.

Wow help us all !!! no what I said was I found myself agreeing more with the moderate right wing , but I do NOT agree with everything the right wing says. You know I DON'T support this government NEVER have & NEVER will.


I was a Corbyn supporter at the time,and I wanted him to be the PM of this country,we will never know now ...how he would have coped with all the challenges & issues out there. But I think he would have tried his best ,and maybe made some mistakes as he's human.

You basically twist everything for your own agenda, what slurs was used? ....if you're offended by 'woke' & 'far left' ...then that's amusing when you've been more condescending and rude towards me anyway . And when did I condone 'stepping on minority communities ' ?? .

It's not difficult to understand, I use to be very left wing , and I've never and will never be right wing . I'm in the centre .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No probs, ask someone else to do it for you. Maybe jaxers or LT will?

2 many buttons to press to post pms for me slim.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Agreed there was no need for those nasty comments.

yep

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wow help us all !!! no what I said was I found myself agreeing more with the moderate right wing , but I do NOT agree with everything the right wing says. You know I DON'T support this government NEVER have & NEVER will.


I was a Corbyn supporter at the time,and I wanted him to be the PM of this country,we will never know now ...how he would have coped with all the challenges & issues out there. But I think he would have tried his best ,and maybe made some mistakes as he's human.

You basically twist everything for your own agenda, what slurs was used? ....if you're offended by 'woke' & 'far left' ...then that's amusing when you've been more condescending and rude towards me anyway . And when did I condone 'stepping on minority communities ' ?? .

It's not difficult to understand, I use to be very left wing , and I've never and will never be right wing . I'm in the centre .

I guess saying "you go girl with the wokey far left chat" has somehow been twisted into I'm offended. As I pointed out, it just reveals you're regurgitating, not understanding the terms you're using. It's no more than a meme at this point.

Where did I say you condone stepping on minority communities?

Everything I've said in this thread has been explained.

[Cherie]

The title should read rapist male posing as transgender woman gets put in women’s prison due to gaping loophole in self ID that affects women’s only places which woman have being pointing out for years but whose concerns have been ignored by everyone including by the judge in the case because of worriy about how it might look and how it might impact career progression ..woman are just collateral damage these days and that is from both sides left and right

[LeatherTrumpet]

well said Cherie

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I guess saying "you go girl with the wokey far left chat" has somehow been twisted into I'm offended. As I pointed out, it just reveals you're regurgitating, not understanding the terms you're using. It's no more than a meme at this point.

Where did I say you condone stepping on minority communities?

Everything I've said in this thread has been explained.

Oh and just so you know I never voted for BREXIT either ....I voted to REMAIN .

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The title should read rapist male posing as transgender woman gets put in women’s prison due to gaping loophole in self ID that affects women’s only places which woman having being pointing out for years but whose concerns have been ignored by everyone including by the judge in the case because of worriy about how it might look and how it might impact career progression ..woman are just collateral damage these days and that is from both sides left and right

Not often that I don't have anything much to add Cherie but this is pretty comprehensive.

What I find staggering is that people who are generally reasonable and rational will still;

- refuse to acknowledge that too much has been done too quickly, overlooking any safeguarding concerns.

- refuse to acknowledge that the tonne of bricks that's been brought down on women for pointing out concerns is absolutely DRENCHED in misogyny

- refuse to tap the brakes no matter how many indications there are that the ideology needs to slow down

... And it's all for fear of seeming like a "bad ally" or out of worry that budging an inch risks "aligning with bigots".

[parmnion]

Just imagine all those rapists thinking about topping themselves. Suddenly having a loophole that makes the punishment for their urges not seem so bad.

Very very dangerous times for women with this, from the actual crime itself, all the way up to the punishment...its like women are being punished twice.

Firstly for the crime, and secondly for having to put up with the rapists punishments.






Saying that though..

Rapists and paedos will be seen as the same in any jail, and one could only imagine how a female paedos life, or a child killers, would be in a female prison.

I doubt a male rapists will be much different.

Unless of course he is sharing a cell with one person.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just imagine all those rapists thinking about topping themselves. Suddenly having a loophole that makes the punishment for their urges not seem so bad.

Very very dangerous times for women with this, from the actual crime itself, all the way up to the punishment...its like women are being punished twice.

Firstly for the crime, and secondly for having to put up with the rapists punishments.

The justice system has always had a soft side for predators it seems, venebles is their glowing poster boy. The amount of chance that sicko got ...was mind boggling.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The justice system has always had a soft side for predators it seems, venebles is their glowing poster boy. The amount of chance that sicko got ...was mind boggling.

I just hope they don’t let him out … last I heard … he’s held far too close for comfort


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[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The justice system has always had a soft side for predators it seems, venebles is their glowing poster boy. The amount of chance that sicko got ...was mind boggling.

Makes you wonder about the people making the decisions. You could be forgiven for thinking it was the 70s and 80s again.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Makes you wonder about the people making the decisions. You could be forgiven for thinking it was the 70s and 80s again.

we have already had moves in thread to excuse the guy..

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we have already had moves in thread to excuse the guy..

Do you mean the forcefully entering a woman attracted person.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Criminals exploit loopholes in all areas, it's what makes them criminals. Claiming it was consent when there are voice notes saying differently (andrew tate) is a loophole that's way more dangerous to women than any trans person. I don't agree with immigrants committing murder being used to attack all immigrants, and I don't accept a man sexually attacking women being used for another thread on the same old BS about wokey far left, penises etc. That discussion is a bigoted mess imo

There are issues that definitely need to be worked out (sports) as this is completely new, and this prison situation is another one, but I don't believe trans people are in anyway a threat to women because I don't believe you protect the rights of one group by attacking a different group. I also understand why women might feel threatened about the changing times

Women should have more rights, but it's not trans people that are preventing that, The ideology that wants to treat women as 2nd class chattel, is the same one pretending they care about women's rights when it comes to trans people. No one wants to even acknowledge that and at least give some thought to why that might be.

There is no way to sort this out, because both sides end up shouting at each other, and that impasse is being heavily monetised, mainly by folks pretending to protect women.

I agree with you that certain types of people love the fighting going on between women and the Trans communities, it deflects from what these higher ups are doing wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'll say wokey far left all I want, if someone commits a serious crime !! the last thing on my mind is "oh I better get their pronouns correct" . Which is exactly what the far left seems to put first ,rather than the fact the person is a dangerous predator.

Like shouldn't that be the focus ...you know = keep this person LOCKED up and AWAY from women , DON'T put them in a women's prison ...so they have easy access to more victims.

We know loopholes are being exploited ,this is the very point we're making.

Definitely a fair point about the far left.

They on certain serious issues are more concerned with terminology about someone's identity more than the actual offence.

However I still like to think that there are a sizable portion of the left that aren't like that. Just like I also like to think that most of the right aren't far right.

[Oliver_W]

Why should gender identity affect which prison someone goes to? It's imaginary, why should woman prisoners have a delusional male in their midst?

[arista]

[Soldier Boy]

To be fair one thing that I would add to this thread is that NO ONE should (ideally) be at ANY physical risk whilst incarcerated - in a civilised society, when we lock people up they should be locked up without risk of being assaulted, which (for me) means there simply shouldn't be opportunity at all. Prisoners should either be safely in a cell, or in a communal area that's fully staffed and supervised.

I realise that's an unrealistic pipe dream but worth adding I guess - it's an absolute mess of a system.

[bitontheslide]

i also think we are not taking into account the collective of women who will be protecting each other in that circumstance too. The issue comes if for example its a one on one scenario like 2 prisoners sharing a cell. I still think it's obviously someone trying to play the system and that should be viewed and dealt with accordingly

[LeatherTrumpet]

[Cherie]

Half of the transgender inmates in Scottish prisons only began transitioning after they were convicted, it can be revealed. The Scottish Prison Service (SPS) confirmed there were 16 trans inmates in Scots prisons, of whom eight began their transition while "being cared for in custody following their remand or conviction for their current offencehttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6


Why are the trans community not talking about this? seems like an I'm alright Jack attitude to me

[Cherie]

oh snap LT

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Half of the transgender inmates in Scottish prisons only began transitioning after they were convicted, it can be revealed. The Scottish Prison Service (SPS) confirmed there were 16 trans inmates in Scots prisons, of whom eight began their transition while "being cared for in custody following their remand or conviction for their current offencehttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6


Why are the trans community not talking about this? seems like an I'm alright Jack attitude to me

No True Scotsman.

They're not real tranners, so they're not part of the problem.