[MTVN]

It was an ignorant question but there was no ill intent

I expect Hallie would be similarly ignorant of Farida's faith if she cared to ask about it

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was an ignorant question but there was no ill intent

I expect Hallie would be similarly ignorant of Farida's faith if she cared to ask about it

Hallie wont, too consumed with self (like most 18 year olds )

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was an ignorant question but there was no ill intent

I expect Hallie would be similarly ignorant of Farida's faith if she cared to ask about it

Now I’d pay to listen in on that conversation !!


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[Scarlett.]

I feel like a bigger deal is being made of this outside the house than inside xD

That said, its cool to see the show generating conversations such as this

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

I feel like a bigger deal is being made of this outside the house than inside xD

That said, its cool to see the show generating conversations such as this

…indeed, I think probably it is because it’s such an going debate and you could kind of feel it from the beginning when it was speculated that Hallie was a transgender housemate…but it’s so refreshing to see a conversation that actually takes place without the social media and media stuff, isn’t it…because I thought that it reflected a lot more with conversations that many do have and what is more familiar to many…this is a great group of housemate, I think….

[LeatherTrumpet]

I just think it was way too inappropriate a question for someone so young from a 50 year old lady and like a day after the reveal it was beyond impolite and intrusive.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I just think it was way too inappropriate a question for someone so young from a 50 year old lady and like a day after the reveal it was beyond impolite and intrusive.

Halle doesn’t immediately present as a young teenager though


I would have guessed Halle was 30 ish

I can’t imagine that they stop to wonder how old each person is before they start up a conversation


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[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Halle doesn’t immediately present as a young teenager though


I would have guessed Halle was 30 ish

I can’t imagine that they stop to wonder how old each person is before they start up a conversation


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Farida knew Hallie was 18 on launch night

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Controversial stance I'm sure but gender and sexuality are complex these days;

There are zero straight men who would date a trans woman.

There are of course plenty of men who would date a trans woman, and even plenty of men who are exclusively attracted to female secondary sex characteristics and who exclusively date female-presenting people who would date trans women.

They're not straight, they are on the "Q spectrum" so to speak. Straight is straight, biological primary sex characteristics (which can't be factually changed).

All "thats not how I personally identify" etc etcs out of the way.


This isn't a judgement of any kind either, people are attracted to who they're attracted to and date who they date, but defining it as a straight relationship - while probably more comfortable for some men - just isn't accurate.

Really? I actually don't think that's true at all, although I'm sure it'd be a minority of straight men. I certainly don't think it makes them non-straight

On the other hand I think it's very unlikely to find a man who would exclusively date transwomen, that seems bizarre

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Farida knew Hallie was 18 on launch night

Yes I’m sure they all did but given their strange pressurised situation I don’t think Halle’s age would even register when they are conversing as she presents as a 30+ year old rather than an 18yr old


Tom on the other hand presents as a 16 yr old …


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[caprimint]

Farida has no clue what's going on lol. But Hallie was bitching about her in the garden to Jenkin/Jordan/Henry/Paul(?) then the second time she was about to bitch about the situation to Zak but Farida came outside and she twisted it completely into "just talking about it".

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Farida has no clue what's going on lol. But Hallie was bitching about her in the garden to Jenkin/Jordan/Henry/Paul(?) then the second time she was about to bitch about the situation to Zak but Farida came outside and she twisted it completely into "just talking about it".

Yes and we are only shown a snapshot of proceedings so I’d suggest that Halle has that very same conversation with EVERY other housemate .. if only to get their sympathy and as much screen time as possible


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[Soldier Boy]

Controversial stance I'm sure but gender and sexuality are complex these days;

There are zero straight men who would date a trans woman.

There are of course plenty of men who would date a trans woman, and even plenty of men who are exclusively attracted to female secondary sex characteristics and who exclusively date female-presenting people who would date trans women.

They're not straight, they are on the "Q spectrum" so to speak. Straight is straight, biological primary sex characteristics (which can't be factually changed).

All "thats not how I personally identify" etc etcs out of the way.


This isn't a judgement of any kind either, people are attracted to who they're attracted to and date who they date, but defining it as a straight relationship - while probably more comfortable for some men - just isn't accurate.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Controversial stance I'm sure but gender and sexuality are complex these days;

There are zero straight men who would date a trans woman.

There are of course plenty of men who would date a trans woman, and even plenty of men who are exclusively attracted to female secondary sex characteristics and who exclusively date female-presenting people who would date trans women.

They're not straight, they are on the "Q spectrum" so to speak. Straight is straight, biological primary sex characteristics (which can't be factually changed).

All "thats not how I personally identify" etc etcs out of the way.


This isn't a judgement of any kind either, people are attracted to who they're attracted to and date who they date, but defining it as a straight relationship - while probably more comfortable for some men - just isn't accurate.

What a load of nonsense

[bitontheslide]

Hallie may look older than 18, but she has not shown any indicators that she is experienced in life in anything that she has done in the house. You need to know who you are speaking to before tackling any topic and Farida certainly didn't take account of that

[Lewis.]

I genuinely think Farida was just interested, but seems to have zero filter (in this conversation or any others she has had so far).

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Lewis.

I genuinely think Farida was just interested, but seems to have zero filter (in this conversation or any others she has had so far).

This ^^^


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[LeatherTrumpet]

Hallie getting caught gossiping about it later by Farida was rather excruciating

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Hallie getting caught gossiping about it later by Farida was rather excruciating

Wasn’t it just

Serves them right


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[bitontheslide]

After the food task the daggers will be drawn, and it will all start going off come Saturday

[parmnion]

Farida should try the same questions out on TIBB someday to get the proper reaction to her question.

[Josy]

I think she was genuinely curious, I also think Hallie tried it to make into an issue with the way she explained it to other housemates, which I thought was quite unfair as she did say she was happy to answer anyone's questions etc

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think she was genuinely curious, I also think Hallie tried it to make into an issue with the way she explained it to other housemates, which I thought was quite unfair as she did say she was happy to answer anyone's questions etc

Halle was basically attention seeking , trying to get sympathy from all the others by playing victim .. she knows that screen time is paramount in this situation. Probably hoping the others won’t nominate her if they think she’s had a rough few days


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[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

How you did view it? Did you find Farida’s questions offensive or actually curios to learn? How did you view Hallie’s reaction?

100% curious from someone that wished to learn. We need to be careful... If we insist on seeing darker motivations behind every question we will stop people from trying to learn.

TBH, the whole thing is subjective anyhow.

It's a good conversation to have.