[Marsh.]

I haven't watched properly for about 3 years anyway.

I won't be coming back for Dermot breathing into his mic (practically eating it) and ending every sentence with a question mark.

[Jordan.]

@Jack Honestly I think people are sick of the forced 'drama' and that has what has actually killed the show. People liked and appreciated Dannii because she took the job seriously and was a breath of fresh air on the judges panel. If there was more judges who were serious about finding a credible artist who can forge a career outside of one single then the show might be able to rise again. Having Louis being a clown isn't going to do anything to save the show.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

@Jack Honestly I think people are sick of the forced 'drama' and that has what has actually killed the show. People liked and appreciated Dannii because she took the job seriously and was a breath of fresh air on the judges panel. If there was more judges who were serious about finding a credible artist who can forge a career outside of one single then the show might be able to rise again. Having Louis being a clown isn't going to do anything to save the show.

It's not, what killed the show was the drastic change to the panel that everyone had come to know and love in 2011. They've tried to repair the damage ever since but it's very hard to draw people back once they've left

I can appreciate why people like Dannii, I'm not even saying I dislike her...but I really, really don't think the vast majority of casual viewers care about her now on her own without the rest of the golden era panel.

And I'm not going to make any comparisons to The Voice this series because I don't actually know how it performs ratings wise these days but certainly in the early series its terrible format and more ~serious~, credible nature wasn't helping it one bit. People want entertainment, that is what X Factor is. It has never been a genuine talent competition with music integrity and I don't know why people try to pretend it is

On the bolded point though: X Factor constantly produces acts with longevity, in comparison to The Voice that's barely had any successful artists from it

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but the novelty of Louis' inane comments wore off about six years ago.

'You look like a little Luther Vandross"

"You owned t'stage"

"You look like a pop star, you sound like a pop star"

were funny and amusing the first maybe ten times. Now it's just sad.

[Pete.]

I grew tired of Louis' rehearsed saving of the joke act in the sing off

[Shaun]

I can't @ Dannii being labelled boring in the same post as wanting Nicole "Shamazinger" back. She was a catchphrase that was never funny in the first place and lived off her acts' charisma to make up for her lacking.

Dannii/Louis/Rita/Simon will do nicely

[Glenn.]

I agree with Jordan.

You can apply the same statement to Big Brother. People get bored of forced drama.

[Ross.]

I've changed my mind I want Simon-Nicole-Dannii-Louis sorry Sharon

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Ross.

I've changed my mind I want Simon-Nicole-Dannii-Louis sorry Sharon

Good lad.

[Jordan.]

It's nothing to do with the panel... People are sick of the same thing every year and lack of artists making a career from the show, which is the whole concept.

Yes Louis causing an argument and getting media attention might bring in some interest but it doesn't save the fundamental problem of the show failing to deliver what it's purpose is.

[Marsh.]

I want the show dead.

[Jack_]

It has everything to do with the panel, or else how do you explain 2010's series finishing with an average of 13m viewers per episode to 2011's finishing with 10m? Or a 19m peak for the final compared with 15m? Where the hell do 3-4m viewers go in the space of a year when the show was at its peak? That is not normal: it is primarily driven by the irreparable, drastic changes they made to the well-loved panel.

I'd disagree that the show doesn't still produce successful artists either; Ella Henderson, Little Mix and Fleur have all had varying degrees of it since their series and they were all part of the 2011 onwards generation. The Voice has produced little if no talent whatsoever outside of the show yet it's still on air and people are still watching so how do you explain that?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It has everything to do with the panel, or else how do you explain 2010's series finishing with an average of 13m viewers per episode to 2011's finishing with 10m? Or a 19m peak for the final compared with 15m? Where the hell do 3-4m viewers go in the space of a year when the show was at its peak? That is not normal: it is primarily driven by the irreparable, drastic changes they made to the well-loved panel.

I'd disagree that the show doesn't still produce successful artists either; Ella Henderson, Little Mix and Fleur have all had varying degrees of it since their series and they were all part of the 2011 onwards generation. The Voice has produced little if no talent whatsoever outside of the show yet it's still on air and people are still watching so how do you explain that?

The ratings aren't really that shocking, 2010 was just an amazing year for the show in every aspect and the shows peak, 2011 fell back to what it averaged in 2009. I honestly fail to see how you think the entire shows success resolves around who is judging it. People are not voting for or investing in the judges, they invest in the acts on the show. Good acts = more support, more viewers. If every year the act they're voting to win is getting dropped within months of winning and never releasing music people are going to get tired of the show and stop investing in it. It's as simple as that in my mind.

As for the voice comparison that's never created stars or been as big as XF so people just take it for what it is, I'm sure the ratings aren't too good on that either.

[Glenn.]

Jack do you work for X factor?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Jack do you work for X factor?

I wish

[Marsh.]

Because NO show is going to keep those numbers. It happens and then people have seen it, the novelty has gone. Lightning doesn't strike twice and it's not as if it was a massive exodus of viewers it was gradual.

It's like BB peaking with BB3 in 2002.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because NO show is going to keep those numbers. It happens and then people have seen it, the novelty has gone. Lightning doesn't strike twice and it's not as if it was a massive exodus of viewers it was gradual.

It's like BB peaking with BB3 in 2002.

It kept those numbers in 2009 too, 3-4m viewers is NO joke, that's pretty extortionate. A drop of 1-2 would've been understandable but that's a hell of a lot off the back of the most successful series in its history

The BB comparison is different because it was followed with...BB4. In this case S7 was followed by S8 which culled 3/4 of the iconic judges

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It kept those numbers in 2009 too, 3-4m viewers is NO joke, that's pretty extortionate. A drop of 1-2 would've been understandable but that's a hell of a lot off the back of the most successful series in its history

The BB comparison is different because it was followed with...BB4. In this case S7 was followed by S8 which culled 3/4 of the iconic judges

But that's why it's the most successful series, it's a peak. It was never going to continue hitting that.

Just as no matter what series followed BB3, it wasn't going to continue at its peak. It's a one off.

It increased from 2009, it didn't stay the same. Then it came back down to its same old average.

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

NO

Nah to the ah to the no, no, no
My name is no
My sign is no
My number is no
You need to let it go
You need to let it go
Need to let it go
Nah to the ah to the no, no, no
My name is no
My sign is no
My number is no
You need to let it go
You need to let it go
Need to let it go
Nah to the ah to the no, no, no

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Ross.

Nah to the ah to the no, no, no
My name is no
My sign is no
My number is no
You need to let it go
You need to let it go
Need to let it go
Nah to the ah to the no, no, no
My name is no
My sign is no
My number is no
You need to let it go
You need to let it go
Need to let it go
Nah to the ah to the no, no, no

Thank you in advance
I don't wanna dance

[Amy Jade]

I actually agree with almost everyone in some part. I think a bit of everything is wrong with the show.

I don't perticularly like Dermot but he was well received by viewers and I think his departure will have made some turn off, Olly was embarrassing last year.

Cheryl was dull and gave the impression she was there for the money and didn't care about her acts last year so she can go. I hope Sharon doesn't come back though.

They need decent talent and to get rid of the repetitive themes too.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I actually agree with almost everyone in some part. I think a bit of everything is wrong with the show.

I don't perticularly like Dermot but he was well received by viewers and I think his departure will have made some turn off, Olly was embarrassing last year.

Cheryl was dull and gave the impression she was there for the money and didn't care about her acts last year so she can go. I hope Sharon doesn't come back though.

They need decent talent and to get rid of the repetitive themes too.

I agree, there's more that needs changing than just the judging panel. As someone who hasn't watched in a few years, I'd certainly be tempted back by the prospect of Danni and/or Nicole returning, but I'd rather see changes to the format for me to be interested in watching again.

The biggest thing for me is that the whole idea of the show is that they are amateur performers with natural talent so what started to put me off over the last few series I watched was the way that come the start of the live shows, they were expected to be polished performers, with flashy staging, dance numbers, just OTT everything, and emphasis on them being 'ready made' popstars akin to existing popstars, and having their marketability commented on, rather than just allowing them over the course of the show to develop as performers and seeing them carve out their own niche, instead of "wow you're going to be the next Rihanna so next week you're going to sing one of her songs and dress like her" type thing. I just want to see a bunch of talented people sing and perform and develop and that's it. Strip it all back, no more professional makeovers before the live shows, allow them to sing original songs (I know it's not something they used to do but I'd like it to be introduced), and have it be a showcase for actual talent. It became a bit too much like stars in their eyes for me, and a conveyor belt to churn out carbon copies of existing pop faves. It became too obvious that it's just a cynical money making scheme for Cowell and co rather than a talent competition.

[LeatherTrumpet]

gutted. no international anyone plase

[kirklancaster]

GREAT NEWS.

But; "Wants to concentrate on her singing career"?



Yeah - There are lots of grotty half-empty pubs in Newcastle which could do with a few volunteers on karaoke nights.

[Strictly Jake]

I'm glad, I used to like her back in 2008 but she has got on my wick the past few years! Please bring back Nicole. I do feel Rita deserves just one more chance

So the panel should be

Simon
Nicole
Rita
Louis