[arista]

[Rioters attack police on Cardiff estate after
two teenagers die in e-scooter crash - but force hits
back at social media rumours of a 'chase'
and insist accident had 'already occurred'
when they arrived
Hundreds of rioters clashed with police
in Snowden Road, Ely, on Monday night
Chaotic scenes as thugs attacked riot officers
and set vehicles on fire in Cardiff]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Cardiff.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65677472

https://news.sky.com/story/cardiff-p...scene-12887256

[Oliver_W]

Sounds confusing - how are the riots and the escooter crash connected?

[bitontheslide]

so the police lied about only arriving after the accident had happened, and they were in fact following them when it happened

The police just get worse and worse



South Wales Police and Crime Commissioner Alun Michael declined to comment on social media footage appearing to show a police van following two people on either a moped or electric bike, apparently minutes before the crash.

He said: "You should examine the carefully-worded statement from the chief superintendent."

[arista]

Although a Police Van was following
the Electric Scooter.

But in the Crash
the 2 lads hit a Car

Police were not with them
as the died in a crash with a car

[arista]

Kyrees Sullivan, 15, and Harvey Evans, 16,

Both Died as they hit a Car.

They are to blame
it was their own fault
speeding the bike

[arista]

The 2 Dead lads
Photo when they were younger

[arista]

Dead : Harvey Evans

[arista]

Dead : Kyrees Sullivan

[bitontheslide]

the police still lied about their involvement

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the police still lied about their involvement

Sure


But the Died by Hitting a Car

No Police there
at the time

[Liam-]

Why lie about it if you’ve got nothing to hide

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure


But the Died by Hitting a Car

No Police there
at the time

they were following them, they couldn't be more involved, and they said they only turned up later. That is a lie

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they were following them, they couldn't be more involved, and they said they only turned up later. That is a lie

Sure


But the 2 lads died hitting a Car.

[arista]

[arista]

Dead: Harvey Evans

[arista]

Big Clear up.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Big Clear up.

Waste of time. Probably be another riot tonight.

[UserSince2005]

Pictures of the boys tells me all I need to know.
Arrest the rioters
Scum

[arista]

[Soldier Boy]

This is very complicated because the idea is that the crash occurred because they were being followed and they would otherwise have been riding around carefully and the crash wouldn't have happened, rather than that they were being followed by police because they were already riding around thrillseeking/dangerously and an accident happening was already a high risk ...

As tragic as it is for young people to lose their lives like this, I think the latter seems probable, and they weren't out collecting groceries for elderly people on the scooter.

IMO the message needs to be clear; these kids lost their lives because they were joyriding around in a dangerous manner and their lives were at risk the moment they stepped onto the e-scooter with the intention of using it like a fairground ride. Because kids are currently doing that up and down the country, and more are going to be hurt/killed. The idea that "they would have been fine if the police had just left them to it!" is really worrying and dangerous. It might prompt hesitance in officers to stop other kids they see doing the same thing and turn a blind eye, which will result in more accidents, not fewer.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is very complicated because the idea is that the crash occurred because they were being followed and they would otherwise have been riding around carefully and the crash wouldn't have happened, rather than that they were being followed by police because they were already riding around thrillseeking/dangerously and an accident happening was already a high risk ...

As tragic as it is for young people to lose their lives like this, I think the latter seems probable, and they weren't out collecting groceries for elderly people on the scooter.

IMO the message needs to be clear; these kids lost their lives because they were joyriding around in a dangerous manner and their lives were at risk the moment they stepped onto the e-scooter with the intention of using it like a fairground ride. Because kids are currently doing that up and down the country, and more are going to be hurt/killed. The idea that "they would have been fine if the police had just left them to it!" is really worrying and dangerous. It might prompt hesitance in officers to stop other kids they see doing the same thing and turn a blind eye, which will result in more accidents, not fewer.

Not sure it was a scooter. I believe it was an E-bike.

If they're getting chased by the Police, then they should pull over, it's as simple as that. If you run from the Police, they're gonna chase you.

While it's tragic that they lost their lives, you can't blame anyone but themselves. If you play with feathers, you're gonna get your arse tickled.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is very complicated because the idea is that the crash occurred because they were being followed and they would otherwise have been riding around carefully and the crash wouldn't have happened, rather than that they were being followed by police because they were already riding around thrillseeking/dangerously and an accident happening was already a high risk ...

As tragic as it is for young people to lose their lives like this, I think the latter seems probable, and they weren't out collecting groceries for elderly people on the scooter.

IMO the message needs to be clear; these kids lost their lives because they were joyriding around in a dangerous manner and their lives were at risk the moment they stepped onto the e-scooter with the intention of using it like a fairground ride. Because kids are currently doing that up and down the country, and more are going to be hurt/killed. The idea that "they would have been fine if the police had just left them to it!" is really worrying and dangerous. It might prompt hesitance in officers to stop other kids they see doing the same thing and turn a blind eye, which will result in more accidents, not fewer.

As recent riots taught us, no matter what crimes someone was committing at the time, dying as a consequence is always the police's fault, and always justifies riots.

[Cherie]

I literally hate it when they put things like this down to kids living in deprived areas... there are many kids from deprived areas who do not cause issues for the general public

[Cherie]

Also I have no idea what the police following were thinking saying they were not involved how stupid to think there would be no video evidence, and finally setting fire to peoples hard earned cars in a deprived area does not see like much of a stance to me

[bitontheslide]

it's a mess, of course the police have to maintain law and order on the road and it can be a tricky balancing act between getting involved in a chase, but they should have come clean about the vans presence. The blanket denial just makes them look really bad