[parmnion]

Yes she was.

She got this grizzly old bastard to change his mind on stuff.


What do you think though?

[Scarlett.]

I think so, she was just a normal person, people have this expectation that trans people have to be 100% perfect, she wasn't, she had her faults, she was just Hallie

[smudgie]

She was a good housemate, never really thought of her as Trans, lovely looking but her language was a bit rough.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes she was.

She got this grizzly old bastard to change his mind on stuff.


What do you think though?

Well most people seem to hate her …so no


Millions just voted to evict her .. nuff said


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[Benjamin]

As much as she was a brat, she showed trans people are just people like everyone else.

[Kate!]

Yes.

[thesheriff443]

Did i accept her as a woman?
The answer is yes
This is bigbrother, it’s not someone being loud on a library
Did she represent the trans community in a good light?
Most definitely

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by smudgie

She was a good housemate, never really thought of her as Trans, lovely looking but her language was a bit rough.

I cant remener one moment where I've went....ewww.. I
regards to hallies language .unlike my now favourite Olivia and her first 3 days.

Its a strange old show.

[Lister of Smeg]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol

no

Hallie is a figment of her mothers imagination and i don't forsee good times ahead

Spot on only one way this ends sadly.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Did i accept her as a woman?
The answer is yes
This is bigbrother, it’s not someone being loud on a library
Did she represent the trans community in a good light?
Most definitely

And people say big brother has passed its sell by sherriff.

[Redrose]

Bigger pictures at play with her.

[Mystic Mock]

Imo Hallie should be being judged as an individual, rather than what community she comes from.

That goes for the pro-Hallie & anti-Hallie camps.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes she was.

She got this grizzly old bastard to change his mind on stuff.


What do you think though?

I think that’s great to hear. I don’t think she was the best role model, but if she enlightened people and changed their minds, she’s achieved what she wanted to. And credit to you for being open-minded and willing to have your mind changed.

[rusticgal]

But what is a good trans role model? I never saw her as a trans person…I just saw a rather fake spoiled brat. Her behaviour was over dramatic to draw attention to herself.
To say she hoped she made people proud because of her journey is one thing…but to everyone she was simply a woman that had transitioned and the reason she got evicted was more to do with her behaviour above everything else.

It’s all about the person you are…not what you have become.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Imo Hallie should be being judged as an individual, rather than what community she comes from.

That goes for the pro-Hallie & anti-Hallie camps.

It's why she went in the house though Mock.. thank you for your input though x

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But what is a good trans role model? I never saw her as a trans person…I just saw a rather fake spoiled brat. Her behaviour was over dramatic to draw attention to herself.
To say she hoped she made people proud because of her journey is one thing…but to everyone she was simply a woman that had transitioned and the reason she got evicted was more to do with her behaviour above everything else.

It’s all about the person you are…not what you have become.

She still has her penis rustic. She hasnt transitioned yet..I personally hope she doesnt do it.

She has stated she admires her male parts in the mirror, so be proud of both of you, that's what I want for her.. not the surgical knife...I think,and hope bb has given her that feeling.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She still has her penis rustic. She hasnt transitioned yet..I personally hope she doesnt do it.

She has stated she admires her male parts in the mirror, so be proud of both of you, that's what I want for her.. not the surgical knife...I think,and hope bb has given her that feeling.

I don’t care if she does or doesn’t…I think she makes a very attractive female. However whatever she does it’s her behaviour she needs to work on and be herself and top being someone she isn’t.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I don’t care if she does or doesn’t…I think she makes a very attractive female. However whatever she does it’s her behaviour she needs to work on and be herself and top being someone she isn’t.

She was someone who hadnt ever been in big brother before.. .look at her now.

[joeysteele]

I'd say overall yes she was.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But what is a good trans role model? I never saw her as a trans person…I just saw a rather fake spoiled brat. Her behaviour was over dramatic to draw attention to herself.
To say she hoped she made people proud because of her journey is one thing…but to everyone she was simply a woman that had transitioned and the reason she got evicted was more to do with her behaviour above everything else.

It’s all about the person you are…not what you have become.

People can be wrong about seeing someone as fake on bb

I remember thinking Pete bennet who won bb 7 was fake but when I met him he was actually the same person outside of bb as he was inside.

The only images of trans women prior to Hallie going in the house were negative ones

[PoppyC]

Yes, but not in the way she wanted to be. I think it's important to see transwomen and men doing all sorts of things. That definitely includes messing up and being human because everyone messes up in some way and we're definitely all human

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's why she went in the house though Mock.. thank you for your input though x

That's a fair point.

I just hope that one day we'll have a society and TV industry that cares more about the individual rather than the community said individual might be apart of.

Like I personally think that it's sad that Hallie felt like she had to go into the BB house to showcase that Trans people are just like everyone else, rather than just being an individual who is in there to try and win BB.

You're welcome though Parmnion, I love it when BB is on air because it opens up interesting debates like this.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

People can be wrong about seeing someone as fake on bb

I remember thinking Pete bennet who won bb 7 was fake but when I met him he was actually the same person outside of bb as he was inside.

The only images of trans women prior to Hallie going in the house were negative ones

I heard that Pete was trying to help Nikki Grahame when she was still with us.

Imo whilst like you I weren't keen on him on Big Brother, that information made me change my mind on him, because society in general can be such a cold place to people suffering with eating disorders, so I'm glad that Pete appears to have been different to a lot of people who would've just saw Nikki as a weirdo.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's a fair point.

I just hope that one day we'll have a society and TV industry that cares more about the individual rather than the community said individual might be apart of.

Like I personally think that it's sad that Hallie felt like she had to go into the BB house to showcase that Trans people are just like everyone else, rather than just being an individual who is in there to try and win BB.

You're welcome though Parmnion, I love it when BB is on air because it opens up interesting debates like this.

I get exactly what you are saying.

If Hallie hadnt went In and divulged her life so quickly (day 2 i think) I would still have not known any difference(bad choice of words)

But the girl I saw walk in, and the girl ai saw walk out was the exact same person, and that person just screamed wow to me.

So I've learnt not to judge books so readily when airing opinions on matters that dont directly effect me, and that's Hallies doing.

[GoldHeart]

As a hm Hallie was potty mouthed and spoilt and threw tantrums.So in general she didn't make the best impression,but she's an individual .