Do you want VTS or VTE?

[TomC]

I want VTS. VTE absolutely killed BB16, meaning that all the bores got to the final. Can't see it happening though :(

[Marsh.]

I don't really care.

[TomC]

I don't really care.

oh

[Dominic]

I don't know tbh

[Niamh.]

VTS with 3 or more up everytime

[RichardG]

Always VTS for me

[Black Dagger]

Both have their faults tbh. But I'd much rather VTS but it won't be obviously.

[Jamie89]

VTS if they must have loads of people nominated, otherwise the bores always stay. VTE if they reverted back to just 2 nominees.

[Oliver_W]

I want VTS. VTE absolutely killed BB16, meaning that all the bores got to the final. Can't see it happening though :(

4in4out should have had VTS, at the very least.

[Lostie!]

VTE, far more satisfying since it doesn't reward dickishness as much as VTS does. And it's the format I associate with BB considering that was the way on C4.

[TomC]

VTE, far more satisfying since it doesn't reward dickishness as much as VTS does. And it's the format I associate with BB considering that was the way on C4.

But VTE rewards dullness as BB16 beautifully demonstrated! And tbf, people won't vote for horrible people in a VTS.

[Oaker]

VTE gets people like Marc evicted so VTE > VTS

[susie q]

I like VTE, it seems to stop the programme from being dominated by just one or two characters which be comes boring, more often than not they are one dimensional characters with only one or two ways of acting. Other house mates get the chance to be seen. It was also part of the original format, which would like to see more off.

[Macie Lightfoot]

But VTE rewards dullness as BB16 beautifully demonstrated! And tbf, people won't vote for horrible people in a VTS.

what would the other options be for BB16?

[Dominic]

If they didn't do the stupid safe housemates are nominated and if it was VTS during 4in4out (four evictees in one night is still cringeworthy), the nominees would have been Eileen/Jade/Cristian/Nick/Joel/Jack. This would have resulted in Jade surviving bc she brought the dramz and either Eileen or one of the guys staying, resulting in 3 (or 4) dullards going.

[TomC]

what would the other options be for BB16?

What do you mean? Harry, Sam, Marc, Simon, Eileen and Jade would have made the best finalists and they all, apart from Sam and perhaps Eileen went as a result of VTE.

[Oaker]

Harry and Simon wouldn't have survived a VTS lol

[zakman440]

Both have their pros/cons, so I'd like both to be offered tbh.

[Jason.]

Sam, Marc, and Simon were all awful, boring, and overrated and a VTE culling them as soon as they were up (or producers meddling like they do best for Chloe to stay in Sam's case) was brilliant.

VTE for BB. VTS for CBB. The way it is now is perfect.

[TomC]

Harry and Simon wouldn't have survived a VTS lol

I think Harry could have beaten Jack the week she was evicted, and Simon was up in a week with eight people, many of which were bores.

Sam, Marc, and Simon were all awful, boring, and overrated and a VTE culling them as soon as they were up (or producers meddling like they do best for Chloe to stay in Sam's case) was brilliant.

VTE for BB. VTS for CBB. The way it is now is perfect.

You're saying that you think Sam's eviction was ok just because you didn't like her? And you're saying that Nick, Danny and Cristian were good finalists? :omgno:

[Jason.]

I think Harry could have beaten Jack the week she was evicted, and Simon was up in a week with eight people, many of which were bores.



You're saying that you think Sam's eviction was ok just because you didn't like her? And you're saying that Nick, Danny and Cristian were good finalists? :omgno:

Well given it's the only time the producers did something right in a mess of a series that is a BB16, then yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. But no at Nick, Danny, and Cristian being good finalists. They were awful and bland.

[TomC]

Well given it's the only time the producers did something right in a mess of a series that is a BB16, then yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. But no at Nick, Danny, and Cristian being good finalists. They were awful and bland.

But it was so grossly unfair regardless of who you like, so I don't understand

[Jason.]

It was but #4in4out was even more unfair tbh.

[Jason.]

Plus Sam would've finished 6th place 6 days later, so she was no big loss really. Whereas Chloe went to win the series

[LukeB]

I don't know because both have their faults

[Dominic]

I mean the twist is unfair, but it saved Chloe from eviction and secured her winning over 5 trashy males so I'm glad

[Jason.]

I personally think Danielle being evicted without a public vote by two irrelevant housemates who'd only been in for 4 days a year earlier was more unfair than Sam's Cashbomb eviction thingymaflop

[Oliver_W]

Both have their pros/cons, so I'd like both to be offered tbh.

How would having both work:laugh: ?

Like, the =/- game or something?

[Dominic]

Justice for Virgin queen Dani </3

[joeysteele]

It's always vote to save for me.

[Visage]

It's always vote to save for me.

Same for me.

I don't like the negative vibe VTE creates.

[TomC]

I personally think Danielle being evicted without a public vote by two irrelevant housemates who'd only been in for 4 days a year earlier was more unfair than Sam's Cashbomb eviction thingymaflop

I think they were both as bad as each other - the principle is the same. Same with Marlon.

[zakman440]

How would having both work:laugh: ?

Like, the =/- game or something?

In the final tally a housemates save votes are subtracted from their evict votes.Big Brother Australia have done this successfully before. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Brother_Australia_shows#Eviction)

[reece(:]

Danielle's is the most unfair eviction of all time, especially considering two non entities culled her.

[Jason.]

Marlon would've been nominated and out that week had it been a normal eviction with a VTE public vote. Him pressing the button cost him I think. So again, the only difference his none public vote eviction made was him leaving 4 days earlier

[TomC]

Marlon would've been nominated and out that week had it been a normal eviction with a VTE public vote. Him pressing the button cost him I think. So again, the only difference his none public vote eviction made was him leaving 4 days earlier

This is all speculation though. I think no one should go without a public vote under any circumstances.

[Lostie!]

But VTE rewards dullness as BB16 beautifully demonstrated! And tbf, people won't vote for horrible people in a VTS.

They do all the time. This is why someone like Katie Hopkins can get so close to winning.

[Marsh.]

Danielle being evicted

:flutter:

Good times.

[Dominic]

In the final tally a housemates save votes are subtracted from their evict votes.Big Brother Australia have done this successfully before. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Brother_Australia_shows#Eviction)

This would be a very interesting system. But I reckon it would be hard to get the scum out. Someone like Marc would get the most evict votes, but he also gets the save votes, which makes his votes neutral.

[TomC]

They do all the time. This is why someone like Katie Hopkins can get so close to winning.

Katie Hopkins was well-liked, hence why she came so close to winning. That sounds fair enough to me.

[Marsh.]

Katie Hopkins was well-liked, hence why she came so close to winning. That sounds fair enough to me.

Exactly, well liked, even though she was a despicable human being.

[TomC]

Exactly, well liked, even though she was a despicable human being.

But if enough people thought that they wouldn't have voted for her and she would have gone much sooner. The same principle in reverse applies to VTE except VTE boots out the interesting ones.

[Samm]

VTS but both have negatives

[Marsh.]

But if enough people thought that they wouldn't have voted for her and she would have gone much sooner. The same principle in reverse applies to VTE except VTE boots out the interesting ones.

No because many people who agreed she was vile would have voted to save her for entertainment.

You're jumping to the conclusion that people vote based on who they "like" or "dislike" as people. It doesn't always work like that.

I hated Jade as a person in BB16 but she was a decent housemate for the TV she made.

[Jason.]

People won't vote for horrible people in a VTS

80% of people voted to save a man who threatened to shove an epilator up a woman's vagina, whilst also threatening to knock that same woman out over somebody who's only crime was just arguing with that same woman the week she was up.

[Macie Lightfoot]

What do you mean? Harry, Sam, Marc, Simon, Eileen and Jade would have made the best finalists and they all, apart from Sam and perhaps Eileen went as a result of VTE.

yeeeeah if you think Marc, Sam, and Simon were the crux of the entertainment in BB16 then that speaks for itself

[TomC]

No because many people who agreed she was vile would have voted to save her for entertainment.

You're jumping to the conclusion that people vote based on who they "like" or "dislike" as people. It doesn't always work like that.

I hated Jade as a person in BB16 but she was a decent housemate for the TV she made.

So you voted for Jade? The thing is with VTS you have to do something positive to stay, whereas with VTE you don't have to do anything.

80% of people voted to save a man who threatened to shove an epilator up a woman's vagina, whilst also threatening to knock that same woman out over somebody who's only crime was just arguing with that same woman the week she was up.

I've not seen that series so I can't comment.

[TomC]

yeeeeah if you think Marc, Sam, and Simon were the crux of the entertainment in BB16 then that speaks for itself

What does it speak for? It's my personal taste.

[Marsh.]

So you voted for Jade?

No. I wouldn't waste a penny on this sh*te.

[TomC]

No. I wouldn't waste a penny on this sh*te.

Fair enough :joker:

But that doesn't prove your point then.

[Macie Lightfoot]

What does it speak for? It's my personal taste.

I mean, BB16 isn't even a year old and I barely remember anything Simon or Sam did or what their voices sound like, and if you were able to get through Days 18-53 of BB16 and still value whatever contributions Marc made, then I don't know what else to say because our personal values and viewing values are clearly so out of whack (which is fine, but why bother going on and on about him)

[TomC]

I mean, BB16 isn't even a year old and I barely remember anything Simon or Sam did or what their voices sound like, and if you were able to get through Days 18-53 of BB16 and still value whatever contributions Marc made, then I don't know what else to say because our personal values and viewing values are clearly so out of whack (which is fine, but why bother going on and on about him)

Marc is a legend, and he and the three other newbies and possibly Chloe were the only things left for BB16 after Eileen and Jade went.