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Old 04-04-2024, 09:34 AM #1
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Describing a pregnant woman as “very emotional and tearful” in the workplace amounted to discrimination, a tribunal has ruled.

The ruling relates to an email sent by the boss of an account manager after she raised concerns about her workload.

Nicola Hinds, 37, resigned after returning to work after the birth of her child because of the way she was treated. She is in line to receive compensation from her employer, Mitie, an outsourcing company, after a judge upheld her claims of pregnancy discrimination and constructive dismissal.

Roger Tynan, an employment judge, said Hinds’s boss, Nav Kalley, had stereotyped her as “an emotional, hormonal pregnant woman and that in the particular circumstances his description of her as emotional and tearful was dismissive and belittling”.

“The inference was that she was not fully in control of her emotions because of the pregnancy and that she was making unreasonable demands as a result,” he said.

In April 2020, Hinds discovered she was pregnant and told her bosses. In October, however, she said she was struggling with her workload after suffering two panic attacks in a week.

The tribunal found bosses handled the complaint “ineptly”. Her male manager did not respond to her at all, instead emailing another colleague that Hinds had “become very emotional and tearful especially” and suggested she should go on unpaid leave.

An interview in June 2021 to discuss Hinds’ needs after returning from maternity leave was described as “inadequate”. She resigned in September 2021.

Hinds’ complaints of constructive dismissal and discrimination in relation to Kalley’s description of her and the handling of her complaint were upheld.

Judge Tynan said: “In our judgment [Mitie]’s cumulative treatment of [Ms Hinds] over the period following her return from maternity leave until September 2021 was of itself sufficiently serious as to be destructive of trust and confidence thereby entitling her to resign from her employment.

“We are satisfied that the failure to undertake a risk assessment, together with Mr Kalley’s inaction in October 2020 were material factors in her decision to resign.”

She will be awarded compensation at a later date.

Speaking afterwards, Hinds, from Doncaster, South Yorkshire, said: “My decision to go it alone was not just to rectify the unimaginable pain and suffering they had put me through, but also to give hope to all the other new and expectant mothers out there, to show them that you can do it without the hefty legal fees and with the right support.

“After 12 years of hard work and dedication, I left my career a broken woman, stripped of all my confidence.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/yorkshire-...103547158.html
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I heard her interview yesterday she was treated appallingly by her male boss
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I heard her interview yesterday she was treated appallingly by her male boss
well I doubt she would have praised him if she is after money

I wonder what her bosses would have said in an interview?
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Companies that are in any way competent, would have a ton of proof showing how well they had treated a staff member. The fact they couldn't dig up anything at all to show themselves in a good light speaks volumes
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[Nicola Hinds, 37, was 'inexcusably'
ignored by her boss, portrayed as
'hormonal' and was so badly treated
after she returned to work following
the birth of her child she resigned.]
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Id imagine she was both emotional and tearful a lot?
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[She is now in line to receive
compensation after a tribunal judge upheld
her claims of pregnancy discrimination.
Pictured: Nicola Hinds with family]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pregnant.html
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Companies that are in any way competent, would have a ton of proof showing how well they had treated a staff member. The fact they couldn't dig up anything at all to show themselves in a good light speaks volumes
I do agree with you on this tbh.
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Some women get tearful and emotional watching a soppy film
Did being pregnant in a job with pressure help , I’d say no.
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Did being pregnant in a job with pressure help , I’d say no.
So do some men
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The point was she was of course hormonal but she did not the the support from her workplace that she should have received due to her pregnancy, its not rocket science
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The point was she was of course hormonal but she did not the the support from her workplace that she should have received due to her pregnancy, its not rocket science
Its an office not a social work department
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So do some men
They are not real men,
There are no real men anymore just soft pricks walking round with stupid beards and babies strapped to there chest

Good for nothing more than playing video games
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There are no real men anymore just soft pricks walking round with stupid beards and babies strapped to there chest

Good for nothing more than playing video games
Who would you class as a (living) Real Man?
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Who would you class as a (living) Real Man?
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Who would you class as a (living) Real Man?
My self for one
I do the fcuking I don’t want a woman to push a cucumber up my bum for starters

A man with the hands on approach and not needing another man to out my problems
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Probably one that grunts and rubs mud all over himself, while crushing beer cans on his head , and calling everyone " bro " .
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Probably one that grunts and rubs mud all over himself, while crushing beer cans on his head , and calling everyone " bro " .
Or a Newcastle defender as they are otherwise known
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Probably one that grunts and rubs mud all over himself, while crushing beer cans on his head , and calling everyone " bro " .
Totally wrong as usual
I’ve got more time for strong independent women than sad p1ss heads

And those that call someone bro and dude are pathetic examples of society
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Companies that are in any way competent, would have a ton of proof showing how well they had treated a staff member. The fact they couldn't dig up anything at all to show themselves in a good light speaks volumes
…yeah, totally this…obviously we know that it’s thankfully a legal requirement of companies to support mothers and pregnant women to ensure that the work management is maintained and that all necessary and appropriate risk assessments are carried out so that the working environment is adaptive to any pregnancy needs …

…I think these parts really say everything, that no working environment was adapted for any employee needs…hence the failure to provide any risk assessments and adaptions etc…there were none…

An interview in June 2021 to discuss Hinds’ needs after returning from maternity leave was described as “inadequate”. She resigned in September 2021.

Hinds’ complaints of constructive dismissal and discrimination in relation to Kalley’s description of her and the handling of her complaint were upheld.

Judge Tynan said: “In our judgment [Mitie]’s cumulative treatment of [Ms Hinds] over the period following her return from maternity leave until September 2021 was of itself sufficiently serious as to be destructive of trust and confidence thereby entitling her to resign from her employment.

“We are satisfied that the failure to undertake a risk assessment, together with Mr Kalley’s inaction in October 2020 were material factors in her decision to resign.”

She will be awarded compensation at a later date.



….no one/no employee should ever feel as though they have no alternative but to leave their employ and no employee should feel as though their working experience has left them ‘broken and stripped of confidence’….Nicola Hinds was 12 years in their employ, shame on them for not ensuring that her working environment was what it should have been to not have led to this…
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Lol let's play a guessing game at which members on the thread have absolutely zero experience in workplace or office management of any kind . Clueless.
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Lol let's play a guessing game at which members on the thread have absolutely zero experience in workplace or office management of any kind . Clueless.
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I haven't worked at the bookies for a full 5 years at this point, keep up LT... some of our lives have moved on while you were distracted selling dusty pots.

Also - not to be disparaging of my old place of employ or of other minimum wage slog - but I imagine management of staff at MITIE is in fact considerably closer to management of staff at a bookmakers than it is to my current cushy office life. I only work with extremely middle-class University graduates these days. It's all very... polite... in comparison.
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