[Kizzy]

Does the acceptance of sexism within the establishment filter down into society.is this why crimes against women such as rape and domestic violence are not treated with the gravitas they deserve?

There has for years been a cover up in the highest echelons of power enabling men to mistreat female employees and escape justice.

Is the 'old boys' network dead?

' Theresa May will sack Cabinet ministers if they are proven to be sex pests, the Telegraph understands, as a rapidly growing list of MPs accused of harassment circulated in Westminster.

The Prime Minister wrote to Commons Speaker John Bercow yesterday demanding tough new rules to govern MPs’ behaviour, saying the problem “cannot be tolerated any longer”.

It was claimed Conservative party staff have complied a list of 36 current Tory MPs against whom allegations of inappropriate behaviour have been made, including having affairs with junior colleagues, being "handsy" with women and using prostitutes.

Mrs May also asked the Cabinet Office to investigate the conduct of international trade minister Mark Garnier, who admitted calling his secretary “sugar t**s” and sending her to buy sex toys for him.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-pests-13-mps/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8031311.html

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Does the acceptance of sexism within the establishment filter down into society.is this why crimes against women such as rape and domestic violence are not treated with the gravitas they deserve?

There has for years been a cover up in the highest echelons of power enabling men to mistreat female employees and escape justice.

Is the 'old boys' network dead?

' Theresa May will sack Cabinet ministers if they are proven to be sex pests, the Telegraph understands, as a rapidly growing list of MPs accused of harassment circulated in Westminster.

The Prime Minister wrote to Commons Speaker John Bercow yesterday demanding tough new rules to govern MPs’ behaviour, saying the problem “cannot be tolerated any longer”.

It was claimed Conservative party staff have complied a list of 36 current Tory MPs against whom allegations of inappropriate behaviour have been made, including having affairs with junior colleagues, being "handsy" with women and using prostitutes.

Mrs May also asked the Cabinet Office to investigate the conduct of international trade minister Mark Garnier, who admitted calling his secretary “sugar t**s” and sending her to buy sex toys for him.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-pests-13-mps/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8031311.html

Why do you only express enough interest in sexist attitudes when it involves the Tory government. You seem quite happy to brush aside or conveniently ignore appalling sexist attitudes by minority groups but suddenly get all fired up when it involves the Tories.

Sounds more like a Political interest and an attempt to attack May and her government than a genuine concern regarding sexist attitudes. Serious as all sexism is it seems to me that the sexism you are talking about doesn’t have as severe an impact on womens’ lives as such attitudes from certain religious groups do.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why do you only express enough interest in sexist attitudes when it involves the Tory government. You seem quite happy to brush aside or conveniently ignore appalling sexist attitudes by minority groups but suddenly get all fired up when it involves the Tories.

Sounds more like a Political interest and an attempt to attack May and her government than a genuine concern regarding sexist attitudes. Serious as all sexism is it seems to me that the sexism you are talking about doesn’t have as severe an impact on womens’ lives as such attitudes from certain religious groups do.

It’s a culture in the house and elsewhere Brillo but because its in the house it can’t and shouldn’t be trivialized. I’m sure this goes on across all parties but those parties aren’t in power, the Tories are. I think May is doing her damage limitation by having these accusations properly aired and dealt with. Unfortunately, though, I think the only thing that will be remembered is the ‘sex toy’ scandal.

[Kizzy]

It has only come to light now... I had no part in that I asked for the opinions of others not for my opinion to be analysed as usual.
If you don't wish to comment on the thread and it's content don't.

[smudgie]

Not sure about the affairs part of it.
If consenting adults are of legal age then it is up to them if they have affairs or not, the age difference shouldn't be an issue.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I agree with smudgie that I don't see how "affairs" are included, as they are surely willingly partaken in by consenting adults.

Even if it was against a policy or rule for people to engage in personal relationships with colleagues, it still isn't harassment.

[Beso]

Makes you laugh when some poor old sod is getting more news segments for daring to touch a womans knee while talking to her 10 odd years ago, than bex bailys rape at a labour conference and the threats of losing her job by the senior labour member she turned to if she reported it is.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Makes you laugh when some poor old sod is getting more news segments for daring to touch a womans knee while talking to her 10 odd years ago, than bex bailys rape at a labour conference and the threats of losing her job by the senior labour member she turned to if she reported it is.

In a nutshell Parmy,That says all that is wrong with society.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

In a nutshell Parmy,That says all that is wrong with society.

Yes. That. That is "all" that is wrong with society. I'm glad to see that someone has their finger on the pulse.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes. That. That is "all" that is wrong with society. I'm glad to see that someone has their finger on the pulse.

I was reffering to Parmys post about the lack of news about something far more important and sinister than someone touching a leg.Society needs to wake up and deal with the important things in life.obviously there are plenty of other things wrong in the world,I was answering what Parmy touched on.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was reffering to Parmys post about the lack of news about something far more important and sinister than someone touching a leg.Society needs to wake up and deal with the important things in life.obviously there are plenty of other things wrong in the world,I was answering what Parmy touched on.

If i get banned for touching

[Toy Soldier]

"Look at all these threads about race, no one cares about sexism or attacks on women!"

*Someone makes a thread about women being harassed in the workplace*

"No no no, that's the wrong KIND of thread about women, it has to be about them being attacked by Evil Muslims blehhh or Evil Labour. I can't believe you don't care about attacks on women by minorities and labour members, disgusting."

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Look at all these threads about race, no one cares about sexism or attacks on women!"

*Someone makes a thread about women being harassed in the workplace*

"No no no, that's the wrong KIND of thread about women, it has to be about them being attacked by Evil Muslims blehhh or Evil Labour. I can't believe you don't care about attacks on women by minorities and labour members, disgusting."

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like the perspective of The Truth here

but I have been denied that right by a feminatzi misogynistic conspiracy that has pervaded Tibb like a spiders web in honey

in Honey I tells ya

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id like the perspective of The Truth here

but I have been denied that right by a feminatzi misogynistic conspiracy that has pervaded Tibb like a spiders web in honey

in Honey I tells ya

Originally Posted by TheTruth Emulator Bot v1.01

Men commit suicide a lot and it's because of things like this! It's also why they don't get custody of their children in 95% of cases! Men! Muscles!

He's here in spirit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Kazanne]

Bloody hell if I reported everytime a bloke put his arm around me or touched me,I would be constantly perched in a police station not forgetting all the sexual banter, as adults surely we can understand the difference between joking and real threats a lot of this is just playful and harmless,they need to concentrate on the bigger picture and the actual victims who HAVE been traumatised (like the lady who was actually raped)by real sexual harrassment,same with Hollywood,some of these people were happy to take the jobs made available by these 'sexual fiends'

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Bloody hell if I reported everytime a bloke put his arm around me or touched me,I would be constantly perched in a police station not forgetting all the sexual banter, as adults surely we can understand the difference between joking and real threats'

Its not just about threats, though, and you're sort of highlighting the problem yourself? That people constantly put their arm round you or touch you uninvited. And I assume we're not talking about friends / family here as that's not what any of this is about... No one is saying friends can't put their arm round someone.

But anyway; you're saying that it happens a lot, and it doesn't bother you. Which is fine, everyone is different. But some people are not comfortable at all being touched by strangers or having an arm put round them? I mean... I personally don't like it at all, and I'm a 6'2 200lb+ man. It's not about feeling "threatened" - I just plain don't like it - and people should have enough respect for others to not feel entitled to start touching strangers in a familiar way without permission.

There are certain guys out there who believe that they are entitled to, that is is "normal" to, put their arm around whoever they want / touch a leg / whatever... But it really isn't?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Its not just about threats, though, and you're sort of highlighting the problem yourself? That people constantly put their arm round you or touch you uninvited. And I assume we're not talking about friends / family here as that's not what any of this is about... No one is saying friends can't put their arm round someone.

But anyway; you're saying that it happens a lot, and it doesn't bother you. Which is fine, everyone is different. But some people are not comfortable at all being touched by strangers or having an arm put round them? I mean... I personally don't like it at all, and I'm a 6'2 200lb+ man. It's not about feeling "threatened" - I just plain don't like it - and people should have enough respect for others to not feel entitled to start touching strangers in a familiar way without permission.

There are certain guys out there who believe that they are entitled to, that is is "normal" to, put their arm around whoever they want / touch a leg / whatever... But it really isn't?

But are fellow employees strangers?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But are fellow employees strangers?

No but they're also not necessarily "friends", and I think most people have a good sense of who they have an actual friendship with, and who they only know in a work capacity.

Its pretty much general knowledge that it's not appropriate to be over-familiar with work colleagues, especially subordinates, who are not also an out-of-work friend surely? And it's that way for a good reason, e.g. People will play along or pretend not to be uncomfortable with something if it's a superior, out of fear of losing their job or being otherwise penalised in some way (e.g. Being given a tonne of extra work, or all of the crappy menial tasks) which does also happen.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who breaks this "rule"... Like I said, it's standard workplace etiquette? If they choose to ignore it and lose their job... That's their own choice? If they start claiming that they "didn't know it was inappropriate" then they should probably lose their job anyway, because they are stupid, incompetent, and not suitable to be in charge of employees.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No but they're also not necessarily "friends", and I think most people have a good sense of who they have an actual friendship with, and who they only know in a work capacity.

Its pretty much general knowledge that it's not appropriate to be over-familiar with work colleagues, especially subordinates, who are not also an out-of-work friend surely? And it's that way for a good reason, e.g. People will play along or pretend not to be uncomfortable with something if it's a superior, out of fear of losing their job or being otherwise penalised in some way (e.g. Being given a tonne of extra work, or all of the crappy menial tasks) which does also happen.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who breaks this "rule"... Like I said, it's standard workplace etiquette? If they choose to ignore it and lose their job... That's their own choice? If they start claiming that they "didn't know it was inappropriate" then they should probably lose their job anyway, because they are stupid, incompetent, and not suitable to be in charge of employees.

The news and the pm are making it all about the abuse of power and i think your examples here are as well..no harm in that, but yet again it is making it all less about the victim to an extent..it is probably the correct way to deal with it but we cant let it jumble up with the serious incidents which will obviously come to light as the victims will end up being just another statistic.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But are fellow employees strangers?

Not strangers but not necessarily always people you can have an "intimate" relationship with. I say intimate because it's crossing personal boundaries.

I've worked with a close friend in the past so were pretty comfortable with a hand on the shoulder or whatever but someone who is purely a colleague you wouldn't always be familiar on a personal level and Im.not comfortable with people I only know from work invading my personal space.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Its not just about threats, though, and you're sort of highlighting the problem yourself? That people constantly put their arm round you or touch you uninvited. And I assume we're not talking about friends / family here as that's not what any of this is about... No one is saying friends can't put their arm round someone.

But anyway; you're saying that it happens a lot, and it doesn't bother you. Which is fine, everyone is different. But some people are not comfortable at all being touched by strangers or having an arm put round them? I mean... I personally don't like it at all, and I'm a 6'2 200lb+ man. It's not about feeling "threatened" - I just plain don't like it - and people should have enough respect for others to not feel entitled to start touching strangers in a familiar way without permission.

There are certain guys out there who believe that they are entitled to, that is is "normal" to, put their arm around whoever they want / touch a leg / whatever... But it really isn't?

There are also women who do this?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

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There are also women who do this?

That's true and I've talked about that in another thread, I actually sometimes think women are worse (in terms of how frequently it happens) for random arse-groping in bars etc. and I think that's probably because it's seen as more acceptable.

But my opinion there is that it isn't really acceptable for men OR women to be doing it... Not that it should be fine for men to do it because women do it too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like to see what evidence is brought forward