[Twosugars]

Black and minority ethnic offenders are far more likely to be sent to prison for drug offences than other defendants, according to groundbreaking research commissioned by the Sentencing Council.

The stark disparity in courtroom outcomes is exposed by the official body that advises judges as it prepares to update guidelines for dealing with drug offenders in England and Wales.

The investigation reinforces concerns raised by the review conducted by the Labour MP David Lammy on behalf of the Ministry of Justice in 2017 that found that BAME individuals face bias in court.

The Sentencing Council’s research concentrated on associations between an offender’s sex and ethnicity and the type and length of sentence they received in three supply-related drug crimes. It drew on statistics from crown court records between 2012 and 2015.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...search-reveals

[Kizzy]

There are disparities between many groups men/ women, black/ white, privileged/ underprivileged, white collar/ blue collar the whole system is flawed.

Seeing examples like this exposes it, our justice system is better than some but needs improvement.

[Twosugars]

Bias in court.

[Twosugars]

Where is Oliver to argue we are all equal?

[Shaun]

Water is wet

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Is this a similar thing to the "wage gap" where different positions and hours worked different specific drug crimes result in different pay sentencing? The article didn't say the same drug crimes resulted in different sentences.

Smoking weed while walking down the street is a drug crime, as is pushing class A drugs onto kids. Both drug crimes, both deserve different responses.

[Marsh.]

And you're saying all white drug offences are guilty of smoking weed and the BAME ones are pushing A class drugs onto kids.

Yeah, definitely not racist.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And you're saying all white drug offences are guilty of smoking weed and the BAME ones are pushing A class drugs onto kids.

Yeah, definitely not racist.

Not at all people of all races do both things, but they don't all get caught.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Not at all people of all races do both things, but they don't all get caught.

And women don't work as many hours as men.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And women don't work as many hours as men.

They statistically don't.

https://iwpr.org/publications/gender...uture-of-work/

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They statistically don't.

https://iwpr.org/publications/gender...uture-of-work/

I didn't really ask you to justify why men and women doing the SAME job should be paid differently but I know you like to be different.

[Parumpapapump]

A lot of sentencing is judged upon ones personal circumstances..like jobs, home life etc..most of these kids being sentenced would have had a social visit...so perhaps that's where the blame lies...social sevices.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

As for the apparent disparity in sentencing, I think juries should be better allocated. I don't necessarily mean black defendents should have an all black jury, but they certainly shouldn't have an all white one.

[Marsh.]

"It's not just about discrimination"

Oliver: Discrimination doesn't exist, guys!

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"It's not just about discrimination"

Oliver: Discrimination doesn't exist, guys!

I've never said discrimination doesn't exist but unless there's some evidence out there, we can safely assume equal work=equal pay

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've never said discrimination doesn't exist but unless there's some evidence out there, we can safely assume equal work=equal pay

Idts, people usually refer to the ‘raw’ gender pay gap that just takes a median of all the salary of men and women in the workplace, when you take out the factors that people usually bring up when ‘debunking it’ there’s still a gap. I’ve seen most people attribute it to women in general being given less raises and promotions.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Idts, people usually refer to the ‘raw’ gender pay gap that just takes a median of all the salary of men and women in the workplace, when you take out the factors that people usually bring up when ‘debunking it’ there’s still a gap. I’ve seen most people attribute it to women in general being given less raises and promotions.

True, there's probably more of a "promotions gap" than "pay gap"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Idts, people usually refer to the ‘raw’ gender pay gap that just takes a median of all the salary of men and women in the workplace, when you take out the factors that people usually bring up when ‘debunking it’ there’s still a gap. I’ve seen most people attribute it to women in general being given less raises and promotions.

That's true, and the blame is put on the women for not valuing their professional worth enough to ASK for a raise.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've never said discrimination doesn't exist but unless there's some evidence out there, we can safely assume equal work=equal pay

Yes, you did. You just said there is no discrimination contributing to the pay gap.

So, no you can't safely assume it's equal because it's not.

[Livia]

I thought this was about black people being jailed for drug offences.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Livia

I thought this was about black people being jailed for drug offences.

Yeah sorry for the derail. I was just making a comparison - wage gap believers act like the final figures are for the same jobs instead of broad averages, so maybe the differently applied justice ("justice") is for different drug crimes?

I'm gonna enter tin foil hat territory now ... some think the gender gap in prison sentences (with men being jailed more often and for longer) is due due to outsourced prison labour, i.e. prisons making money from their prisoners. Men on average are stronger than women, and black men are on average stronger than us crackers, so maaaybeeee there's string-pulling so private companies can outsource the "better" physical labour for as little as possible?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah sorry for the derail. I was just making a comparison - wage gap believers act like the final figures are for the same jobs instead of broad averages, so maybe the differently applied justice ("justice") is for different drug crimes?

I'm gonna enter tin foil hat territory now ... some think the gender gap in prison sentences (with men being jailed more often and for longer) is due due to outsourced prison labour, i.e. prisons making money from their prisoners. Men on average are stronger than women, and black men are on average stronger than us crackers, so maaaybeeee there's string-pulling so private companies can outsource the "better" physical labour for as little as possible?

Er... no. Prisoners aren't required to work in a chain gang any longer.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah sorry for the derail. I was just making a comparison - wage gap believers act like the final figures are for the same jobs instead of broad averages, so maybe the differently applied justice ("justice") is for different drug crimes?

I'm gonna enter tin foil hat territory now ... some think the gender gap in prison sentences (with men being jailed more often and for longer) is due due to outsourced prison labour, i.e. prisons making money from their prisoners. Men on average are stronger than women, and black men are on average stronger than us crackers, so maaaybeeee there's string-pulling so private companies can outsource the "better" physical labour for as little as possible?

What century are you discussing?

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Er... no. Prisoners aren't required to work in a chain gang any longer.

The underlined part is a link, you boomer

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What century are you discussing?

This one, apparently:
One3One Solutions is the trading arm of the Ministry of Justice founded in 2012. Over 9,700 prisoners were employed in their profit-making partnerships with private companies, with a total of 13.1 million prisoner working hours being recorded (1).
Private sector prisons (those run for-profit) reported that they delivered over 1.5 million prisoner working hours involving over 1,200 prisoners in 2012/13. (1)
Prisoners working full time at a minimum will receive £4 a week. Prisoners working in workshops run by private companies may earn up to £25 per week if they are lucky.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The underlined part is a link, you boomer

I'm aware of that no need to be so offensive!!
What was all that rubbish yesterday about rudeness to other forum members?...

Your ridiculous tin pot idea that big strong black men are jailed to do all the prison jobs is laughable!

There is literally nothing in that link to suggest that either.