[arista]

They are Crazy

Its Breast Milk
not Human Milk


You Woke Freaks


[Hospital tells doctors, nurses and midwives to
say 'birthing parents' and 'human milk'
instead of 'mothers' and 'breastmilk' because
they risk offending transgender people
Brighton and Sussex Hospitals NHS Trust
unveiled 'gender inclusive' phrases
The Trust is the first in the country
to formally implement such a radical overhaul
Document released this week, said staff
should not stop using the word 'woman]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uman-milk.html



Debated on Politics Live BBC2HD

[ChristmasNeeve]

Always replacing the word woman, why is that? I've yet to see the word man be replaced by Prostate owner or father being replaced by Sperm giver

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Always replacing the word woman, why is that? I've yet to see the word man be replaced by Prostate owner or father being replaced by Sperm giver

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And yes, its never anything to do with men, seemingly. Only ever women. Infact, oddly, I have found those who tend to shout about how the correct term is menstruators or whatever, REALLY do not like you also using terms such as penis people if referring to men.

Male entitlement. Women have to sacrifice terms which refer to them to appease male people, who of course don't have to give anything up for those females who identify as men...

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Women really are the only group of people who can't stand up for their rights without being called names like "TERF" ... Which is ironic really, as they seem to be losing the right to even be called women!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Women really are the only group of people who can't stand up for their rights without being called names like "TERF" ... Which is ironic really, as they seem to be losing the right to even be called women!

Seriously. All this kind of thing is just so regressive to women's rights and trying to get out of those bloody gender role boxes

[bots]

are there any humans other than woman that can produce milk? If not, why the need to reclassify

[Marsh.]

"Brighton and Sussex Hospitals NHS Trust reduce women down to bodily functions" is the correct title.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"Brighton and Sussex Hospitals NHS Trust reduce women down to bodily functions" is the correct title.

Absolutely.

Birthing parents, menstruators, cervix havers ..........so ****ing dehumanising

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely.

Birthing parents, menstruators, cervix havers ..........so ****ing dehumanising

Trans men and non binary people can menstruate, have cervix’s and give birth. What exactly is your solution for general terms that they can use to include all these groups?

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Trans men and non binary people can menstruate, have cervix’s and give birth. What exactly is your solution for general terms that they can use to include all these groups?

My question is why would a trans man want to give birth? and wouldn't the hormones they are taking prevent them getting pregnant?

and a non binary person might still have breasts, they would be attached to their body, why would they not want to mention breasts...?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My question is why would a trans man want to give birth? and wouldn't the hormones they are taking prevent them getting pregnant?

Well I’m not a trans man so you’d have to ask someone who is, also google has never failed me. All I know is that there is trans men giving birth and that’s enough for me to justify more gender butyrate language in the hospitals. I don’t see the need for knowing exactly why they want a child.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Trans men and non binary people can menstruate, have cervix’s and give birth. What exactly is your solution for general terms that they can use to include all these groups?

Females?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Trans men and non binary people can menstruate, have cervix’s and give birth. What exactly is your solution for general terms that they can use to include all these groups?

Why do I need to think of a solution? I'm a woman, I don't like being reduced to my bodily functions, why doesn't that count for anything?

Why is it only women who are being forced to change our language?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why do I need to think of a solution? I'm a woman, I don't like being reduced to my bodily functions, why doesn't that count for anything?

Why is it only women who are being forced to change our language?

You don’t actually need to do anything...

From what I’ve seen it’s not just women I’ve heard things like “people with penises/prostates” used. I’m not going to click on the dailymail article but from arista’s extract it looks like they’re talking specifically about the birthing process and people who are born male don’t do that.

[CheapLousyFaggit]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Trans men and non binary people can menstruate, have cervix’s and give birth. What exactly is your solution for general terms that they can use to include all these groups?

Half the population are women, and only a micropercentage of those women identify as men or nonbinary. Why should half the population lose their name for <1% ?

[Marsh.]

Also, why would "breastmilk" be offensive to a transgender person?

Probably isn't.

[Christmas Dynamo]

silly woke pandering nonsense

[Christmas Spirit]

What exactly made them do this??? , why is there an issue with saying female and woman.

Why would trans people be offended , I'm extremely confused and frustrated with this type of silliness . And when someone transitions from male to female surely they wouldn't have a problem with female phrases?? this literally makes no senses .

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

silly woke pandering nonsense

Yes it is.

[AnnieKristmas]

Every human has breasts....be they male or female so to now have to say chest feeding sounds daft.

I don't mind gender neutral medical terms to be honest, it often is the case that Doctors use medical terms rather than the more colloquial ones non medical people will use.

What will become discriminatory in my view is forcing born women to change the way they speak about their own body to use gender neutral terms. I can't see how that could ever happen but if I were to have another child and want to feed my child using breast milk from my breasts I don't want to have to call it human milk

[Vicky.]

'Inclusive language' stuff, I tend to not see an issue IF its used..for transmen/non binary people. Like, theres no issue at all for medics ad such to be trained to talk in a different way if treating someone who does not identify as female.

Using it wholesale though, just kind of seems crappy. Its honestly like woman, mother, etc are dirty words. And yes, its never anything to do with men, seemingly. Only ever women. Infact, oddly, I have found those who tend to shout about how the correct term is menstruators or whatever, REALLY do not like you also using terms such as penis people if referring to men. I don't do it often like, I did it a couple of times in a convo about this stuff, and got a lot of abuse for it, apparently, men is fine. So, tell me this is not rampant misogyny really..honestly..

[Christmas Spirit]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

'Inclusive language' stuff, I tend to not see an issue IF its used..for transmen/non binary people. Like, theres no issue at all for medics ad such to be trained to talk in a different way if treating someone who does not identify as female.

Using it wholesale though, just kind of seems crappy. Its honestly like woman, mother, etc are dirty words. And yes, its never anything to do with men, seemingly. Only ever women. Infact, oddly, I have found those who tend to shout about how the correct term is menstruators or whatever, REALLY do not like you also using terms such as penis people if referring to men. I don't do it often like, I did it a couple of times in a convo about this stuff, and got a lot of abuse for it, apparently, men is fine. So, tell me this is not rampant misogyny really..honestly..

I just read the article Vicky and it sounds like they're calling father's "birthing parent" & "co parent " instead of man . And yeah it should just be for people who identify that way rather than making it for everyone. But it seems female phrases are being targeted mostly .

I hope this daft trend stays in Brighton, if a woman go into labour they can't expect her to be called just a "person" with "human milk" sounds ridiculous .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I just read the article Vicky and it sounds like they're calling father's "birthing parent" & "co parent " instead of man .

Thats got to be a first..bloody hell. In practise, I really doubt they will though..its been a 'thing' for a while now. Cervical cancer charities totally removing the word woman/female, meanwhile, mens cancers..left alone. I don't WANT mens charities to be targetted mind. But, its always seemed very stark, the lack of 'inclusive language' for male people. And..the reaction of a lot of those who use 'inclusive language' if you do attempt to define male people as scrotum havers or something.

Honestly have not read the actual article as..read this elsewhere so the mails take is not too important to me

[Christmas Spirit]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats got to be a first..bloody hell. In practise, I really doubt they will though..its been a 'thing' for a while now. Cervical cancer charities totally removing the word woman/female, meanwhile, mens cancers..left alone. I don't WANT mens charities to be targetted mind. But, its always seemed very stark, the lack of 'inclusive language' for male people. And..the reaction of a lot of those who use 'inclusive language' if you do attempt to define male people as scrotum havers or something.

Honestly have not read the actual article as..read this elsewhere so the mails take is not too important to me

Well according to that article so I guess we just take it with a pinch of salt .

But "woman" & "female" cannot be erased of the English language and terminology , if they want to have inclusive terms then that's one thing but they shouldn't remove another .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

if they want to have inclusive terms then that's one thing but they shouldn't remove another .

Well thats always been it for me on this topic. I see no issue, at all (and its maybe even preferable tbh) in midwives or whoever using 'inclusive'/nonsexbased terms for those who do not identify with their sex. Make the patient as comfy as possible right? Affects noone else really if for their appointments, they are called chest feeders, or anything like that. And could help the patient, a lot.

However I do NOT find it inclusive at all, to wholesale remove usual language.

Like, even the likes of this ridiculous 'menstruators' thing (possibly the most well known instance of this?). Menstruators, and 'people who menstruate' are bloody awful terms for so so many. I have never, since the start of this, understood why the answer was not...'women, transmen and non binary people'?! Seems the bloody obvious answer? But no. Not acceptable.