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Amy Jade · 14-03-2021, 11:44 PM

A temporary 6pm curfew for men so women to feel safer walking home in the evening.

What are your feelings?

Marsh. · 14-03-2021, 11:44 PM

What would a temporary curfew achieve?

Not to mention how would such a ridiculous idea be enforced?

Amy Jade · 14-03-2021, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

What would a temporary curfew achieve?

Not to mention how would such a ridiculous idea be enforced?

Not looked too much into it but it's being discussed on twitter in light of the recent murder of Sarah Everard.

rusticgal · 14-03-2021, 11:54 PM

It’s a ridiculous idea that’s never going to happen...

Sadly whether you are male or female...walking alone at night you are vulnerable. Safety in numbers..stay over or get a cab or drive.

GoldHeart · 15-03-2021, 12:12 AM

Silly idea, and as mentioned by others how would that even be enforce it?.
Plus you're still at risk walking alone in the evenings.

DouglasS · 15-03-2021, 12:25 AM

Would probably be more unsafe for women, as all the guys that would be aid/helpful in a dangerous situation would be at home, whilst the extremely small minority of guys that would offend would have more empty streets making it easier to carry through on an assault... making it more unsafe for women. Such a dumb idea for so many reasons (including for women)

caprimint · 15-03-2021, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DouglasS

Would probably be more unsafe for women, as all the guys that would be aid/helpful in a dangerous situation would be at home, whilst the extremely small minority of guys that would offend would have more empty streets making it easier to carry through on an assault... making it more unsafe for women. Such a dumb idea for so many reasons (including for women)

Yep, this.

Not only would it be extremely stupid and unfair, it would also be more unsafe. Also women offenders exist too...

Ammi · 15-03-2021, 05:48 AM

...what is needed I think is more value placed on females through the court system and sentencing...it was only a few months ago that Timothy Brehmer...(...also an officer of the law and a self proclaimed manipulative liar...)...was sentenced to just 10yrs for strangling Claire Parry to death..so he will probably serve around 5ish years then...?...that’s the value placed on a female life taken in a sentence that was reduced to manslaughter...curfew isn’t the answer, it’s not a practical/feasible or doable thing...any ‘solutions’ have to come from the justice system in punishments and the valuing of life...the families of women should not have to go through any appeal systems to try to seek justice...

Cherie · 15-03-2021, 06:57 AM

My thoughts are that I have brought up two boys who are very respectful of women and have lived with a man for 25 year plus who is the same, so the people who even suggesting this on twitter should take a look at the men in their lives and ask is this really what I want for them and how would it be even enforced what about men who need to travel to or from work after 6pm for instance, what about gay men...or men who have just landed back from holiday...oops its 5 minutes past six what will I do

Mystic Mock · 09-10-2021, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DouglasS

Would probably be more unsafe for women, as all the guys that would be aid/helpful in a dangerous situation would be at home, whilst the extremely small minority of guys that would offend would have more empty streets making it easier to carry through on an assault... making it more unsafe for women. Such a dumb idea for so many reasons (including for women)

And this is a good argument too.

Edit... I get that it was tongue in cheek now, apologies for being an idiot.

Beso · 15-03-2021, 12:28 AM

It's as daft an idea as me suggesting to you to sleep on a roundabout if you can't get home.

Beso · 15-03-2021, 12:29 AM

What the world needs is more men to stand up to the plate.

arista · 15-03-2021, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

What the world needs is more men to stand up to the plate.

Yes

It was a Stupid Crazy Suggestion
in the House of Lords
Green Female MP

Shaun · 15-03-2021, 02:27 AM

I daresay that violent men who want to go out and rape/murder someone aren't really going to listen to a curfew.

Toy Soldier · 15-03-2021, 06:58 AM

As was pointed out on the other thread, this isn't a serious discussion and was posed as an understandable sarcastic backlash to a met police person suggesting that women should have a curfew "for their own safety" - with women then for good reason saying "Umm what?? How about we keep MEN at home then women can go out safely!"

It seems to have grown wings as a serious suggestion but it's obviously not feasible, for various reasons, in either form.

But yeah the reason it started trending on social media was because there was a serious suggestion made about a curfew for women" for your own good", which is just an absolute mess of a concept.

Niamh. · 15-03-2021, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As was pointed out on the other thread, this isn't a serious discussion and was posed as an understandable sarcastic backlash to a met police person suggesting that women should have a curfew "for their own safety" - with women then for good reason saying "Umm what?? How about we keep MEN at home then women can go out safely!"

It seems to have grown wings as a serious suggestion but it's obviously not feasible, for various reasons, in either form.

But yeah the reason it started trending on social media was because there was a serious suggestion made about a curfew for women" for your own good", which is just an absolute mess of a concept.

It is interesting though that people are only outraged when it's suggested men have the curfew.

Anyway my thoughts are that same as Ammi's really

Toy Soldier · 15-03-2021, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

It is interesting though that people are only outraged when it's suggested men have the curfew.

Anyway my thoughts are that same as Ammi's really

Yeah like I said, amazing the number of people who can go from "yeah a curfew for women seems sensible got to keep 'em safe..." to "a curfew for ME?? What are you saying??!!?" in the space of two tweets.

I do think there are two things at play here though. One is obvious double standards, two is social media "Chinese whispers" (i.e. a lot of people who are annoyed at the suggestion of a curfew on men don't know that it was first suggested for women and would have been annoyed about that too, but they're missing half of the context due to the evolving nature of hash tags, and think it's sprung up out of nowhere as a suggestion).

Ammi · 15-03-2021, 08:08 AM

...I think that there are many things at play with this and why it’s raised so much emotion ...women haven’t felt and don’t feel protected by the justice system, a system that still places female victims on trial...that’s something that isn’t progressing ...but another layer of ‘positions of trust’ is being added ...that’s a breach of trust that won’t easily heal either...females already feel vulnerable and unprotected and we all know that it doesn’t work in saying...oh, it’s only one police representative so all is fine ...that’s not how it works because it’s exposed another level and layer of fear for females in those serving to protect...

Toy Soldier · 15-03-2021, 07:05 AM

I'd add that it quite successfully illustrated what was intended;

An awful lot of the same people who were saying "Well it's unfortunate but that seems sensible... safety first..." when a curfew for women was suggested immediately switched to "WHAT?? This is outrageous!!" when someone suggested one for men

Ammi · 15-03-2021, 07:19 AM

...just following on from TS...the male only curfew was never meant as a serious suggestion, just a response to the suggestion that females could be kept safer by having a female curfew placed on them...but it seems to have gone very quickly from ...what can men do as well to help females feel safe etc...to...oh, only female police officers with that male curfew, then, no male officer assistance...some of the the comments that I’m reading on other sites this morning are very interesting ...