[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Tell them if they refuse to protect our citizens then theirs will have to leave the UK then we will see how quickly their attitudes change

It's May who seems to be holding back on that promise, the EU have put it as one of the things that needs sorting before we can move forward

[arista]

AsdaWalmart will get more stock from USA
ready for nasty EU blockage



Get your back UPs
ready

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's May who seems to be holding back on that promise, the EU have put it as one of the things that needs sorting before we can move forward

May tried to get that sorted months ago.She put it to the EU to take it off the table so as not to use people as a "bargaining chip" but the EU rejected it being stubborn as they are.
The UK government and the EU actually agree on this issue.I don't think that will be a point of contention.This "divorce bill" will be the bigger issue.

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

May tried to get that sorted months ago.She put it to the EU to take it off the table so as not to use people as a "bargaining chip" but the EU rejected it being stubborn as they are.
The UK government and the EU actually agree on this issue.I don't think that will be a point of contention.This "divorce bill" will be the bigger issue.

That's true I had forgotten about that

[Scarlett.]

It's funny, everything is starting to turn out exactly how the so-called "Project Fear" said it would. It's almost like all those experts knew what they were talking about. This country has gone from being a decently strong country to being the ****show laughing stock of the world, and this is just the start of it. It's all so pointless.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Chewy

It's funny, everything is starting to turn out exactly how the so-called "Project Fear" said it would. It's almost like all those experts knew what they were talking about. This country has gone from being a decently strong country to being the ****show laughing stock of the world, and this is just the start of it. It's all so pointless.

How on earth do you come to that conclusion. Fear getting a stranglehold.

I think quite a few other EU countries are watching what happens with intensity as they are probably not so far away from doing the same thing. The EU fear this which is why they are trying so hard to intimidate us and stop us leaving.

I don't think the world is laughing at us, it is laughing at the EU as it steadfastly destroys Europe.

[Withasnow]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How on earth do you come to that conclusion. Fear getting a stranglehold.

I think quite a few other EU countries are watching what happens with intensity as they are probably not so far away from doing the same thing. The EU fear this which is why they are trying so hard to intimidate us and stop us leaving.

I don't think the world is laughing at us, it is laughing at the EU as it steadfastly destroys Europe.

U.K. leaves the EU without good trade deals
EU refuses to give U.K.any good trade deal
Leavers: haha eu is so dumb, the whole world is laughing at them right now

I don't think this is the right thread to declare your blind faith tbh

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

U.K. leaves the EU without good trade deals
EU refuses to give U.K.any good trade deal
Leavers: haha eu is so dumb, the whole world is laughing at them right now

I don't think this is the right thread to declare your blind faith tbh

Too early to be panicking. Not blind faith at all. Do you usually believe in giving in at the first sign of trouble? Or has it got more to do with agendas!

[Livia]

They're taking a strong stance because with so many Euriopean elections on the horizon, they're crapping themselves. Still it amuses me to watch unelected officials panicking.

[Withasnow]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Too early to be panicking. Not blind faith at all. Do you usually believe in giving in at the first sign of trouble? Or has it got more to do with agendas!

I believe in calling a spade a spade.
Haven't commented properly on Brexit in months because there's not much point in filling in the gaps imo.
This is actual news though. And you sticking your noes up at it makes your argument very weak. So stop fighting with your agendas Brillo, you're inadvertently ruining them. If you can't be trusted to call a spade a spade, then nobody will take any of your other Brexit-related posts seriously in the future..
Brexit might be alright overall, too soon to tell, but in regards to the OP, this is undoubtedly a disaster. Pretending it is anything else is silly because let's call a spade a spade.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

I believe in calling a spade a spade.
Haven't commented properly on Brexit in months because there's not much point in filling in the gaps imo.
This is actual news though. And you sticking your noes up at it makes your argument very weak. So stop fighting with your agendas Brillo, you're inadvertently ruining them. If you can't be trusted to call a spade a spade, then nobody will take any of your other Brexit-related posts seriously in the future..
Brexit might be alright overall, too soon to tell, but in regards to the OP, this is undoubtedly a disaster. Pretending it is anything else is silly because let's call a spade a spade.

It's only a disaster if you had no idea this was EXACTLY what was expected. Did you think they were going to wander in and hand over everything we wanted? You start negotiations wanting everything... or giving nothing... then you meet somewhere in the middle.

Regarding the emboldened bit... that's not really your call.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I've deleted some posts in here, stay ontopic please......eachother isn't the topic

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I believe in calling a spade a spade.
Haven't commented properly on Brexit in months because there's not much point in filling in the gaps imo.
This is actual news though. And you sticking your noes up at it makes your argument very weak. So stop fighting with your agendas Brillo, you're inadvertently ruining them. If you can't be trusted to call a spade a spade, then nobody will take any of your other Brexit-related posts seriously in the future..
Brexit might be alright overall, too soon to tell, but in regards to the OP, this is undoubtedly a disaster. Pretending it is anything else is silly because let's call a spade a spade.

Calling anything at this point a disaster is ridiculously premature. Perhaps your expectations in regard the EU are high. My expectations of overpaid unelected officials are quite low. No surprises here.

[Withasnow]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Calling anything at this point a disaster is ridiculously premature.

I disagree here, a lot of Brexit threads up to now have been entirely speculative, and making firm opinions on speculations is premature yeh, which is why I have avoided the majority of them in a few months.
This thread doesnt really hold a speculative tone though. Its very different to the rest of Brexit-threads on tibb, and the appropriate conclusion for remainers and leavers to make is that this small aspect of Brexit is disastrous, and we can only hope that other aspects hold a more positive tone once the speculation starts to turn factual..

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I disagree here, a lot of Brexit threads up to now have been entirely speculative, and making firm opinions on speculations is premature yeh, which is why I have avoided the majority of them in a few months.
This thread doesnt really hold a speculative tone though. Its very different to the rest of Brexit-threads on tibb, and the appropriate conclusion for remainers and leavers to make is that this small aspect of Brexit is disastrous, and we can only hope that other aspects hold a more positive tone once the speculation starts to turn factual..

You are stuck in the idea that only the EU holds any cards which simply isn't the case. They have said all along there would be no cherry picking etc etc. There are absolutely no surprises here.

[Tom4784]

I don't think the EU are worried at all. We're in a bad position and Brexit hasn't been the shining poster child for leaving the EU thus far that a lot of leavers thought it would be. The leadership is incompetent and we're already flailing. It won't likely inspire any other country to leave as it stands.

Having an arrogant attitude of 'The EU is scared! Brexit will be a revolution that will break the EU!' will get us nowhere and neither will blind faith. The best thing we can do is accept that reality of the situation, things are bad and May is dangerously incompetent and will go whichever way the wind blows. Negotiations must be salvaged because we aren't in a strong enough position to be arrogant at this stage.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think the EU are worried at all. We're in a bad position and Brexit hasn't been the shining poster child for leaving the EU thus far that a lot of leavers thought it would be. The leadership is incompetent and we're already flailing. It won't likely inspire any other country to leave as it stands.

Having an arrogant attitude of 'The EU is scared! Brexit will be a revolution that will break the EU!' will get us nowhere and neither will blind faith. The best thing we can do is accept that reality of the situation, things are bad and May is dangerously incompetent and will go whichever way the wind blows. Negotiations must be salvaged because we aren't in a strong enough position to be arrogant at this stage.

And who do you suggest for this mammoth task - it clearly wouldn't be Corbyn.

Wouldn't trust Farron either. May is the Priminister and likely to remain so - it is her job and with the right support from her team, no one can do it on their own, she is the woman for the job. To describe her as dangerously incompetent is silly.

Our position is as strong as our self belief and our value of our strengths i.e. Security expertise.

I'm just relieved we are not likely to be lumbered with the Corbyn/Abbot combo - what a disaster that would be.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And who do you suggest for this mammoth task - it clearly wouldn't be Corbyn.

Wouldn't trust Farron either. May is the Priminister and likely to remain so - it is her job and with the right support from her team, no one can do it on their own, she is the woman for the job. To describe her as dangerously incompetent is silly.

Our position is as strong as our self belief and our value of our strengths i.e. Security expertise.

She's shown herself to be incompetent by constantly changing her stance on issues, how can she stand for anything when her administration are constantly changing their minds on what stances to take?

Corbyn would at least be consistent in his goals and would ironically be more likely to get a brexit deal that leavers would be happy with given that he is more likely to stick to his guns than May is as she's gonna fold when things start to get difficult.

I don't want the Lib Dems anywhere near Downing Street, people made the mistake of voting Leave and now they need to accept the consequences, I don't want the Lib Dems to bail them out.

Either way, the Tories have shown themselves to be unequal to the task.

Your point about Self Belief is just plain silly. If a house is burning down having a strong sense of Self Belief that it isn't burning down isn't going to stop the house from burning the **** down. Accepting the reality of the situation we're in is the only way forward, delusion gets us nowhere.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She's shown herself to be incompetent by constantly changing her stance on issues, how can she stand for anything when her administration are constantly changing their minds on what stances to take?

Corbyn would at least be consistent in his goals and would ironically be more likely to get a brexit deal that leavers would be happy with given that he is more likely to stick to his guns than May is as she's gonna fold when things start to get difficult.

I don't want the Lib Dems anywhere near Downing Street, people made the mistake of voting Leave and now they need to accept the consequences, I don't want the Lib Dems to bail them out.

Either way, the Tories have shown themselves to be unequal to the task.

Your point about Self Belief is just plain silly. If a house is burning down having a strong sense of Self Belief that it isn't burning down isn't going to stop the house from burning the **** down. Accepting the reality of the situation we're in is the only way forward, delusion gets us nowhere.

I think self belief gives you confidence and confidence makes you stronger.

That confidence generally puts you in a stronger position in negotiations, as you are less likely to take any crap and more likely fight for what you want. Don't knock it.

Despite how much you knock this country we do have a lot to offer and the EU know that - even though they are not going to admit it for obvious reasons.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think self belief gives you confidence and confidence makes you stronger.

That confidence generally puts you in a stronger position in negotiations, as you are less likely to take any crap and more likely fight for what you want. Don't knock it.

Despite how much you knock this country we do have a lot to offer and the EU know that - even though they are not going to admit it for obvious reasons.

Its not about knocking the country, its about knocking government policies. Democracy gives us the right to disagree with those policies.

[Livia]

Am I the only one here who thinks that a politician changing their mind should not be a hanging offence? I kind of admire politicians who u turn. Never be afraid to say you've found a better way to do things. Never be afraid to say you were wrong.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

Am I the only one here who thinks that a politician changing their mind should not be a hanging offence? I kind of admire politicians who u turn. Never be afraid to say you've found a better way to do things. Never be afraid to say you were wrong.

I don't know much about Theresa may but in general i think it's a good quality yeah, means you're more open to listening to everyone i think....although I do wonder about Politicians motives for doing u-turns sometimes

[Withasnow]

Originally Posted by Livia

Am I the only one here who thinks that a politician changing their mind should not be a hanging offence? I kind of admire politicians who u turn. Never be afraid to say you've found a better way to do things. Never be afraid to say you were wrong.

Double edged sword
I agree its corageous, but also you didnt research well in the first place
Its not like Corbyns making any uturns in the way he voted for gay rights and womens rights in the past
Her uturn in brexit and the snap election doesnt seem like a sudden epiphany, seems closer to being a power hungry sket to me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Double edged sword
I agree its corageous, but also you didnt research well in the first place
Its not like Corbyns making any uturns in the way he voted for gay rights and womens rights in the past
Her uturn in brexit and the snap election doesnt seem like a sudden epiphany, seems closer to being a power hungry sket to me.

I admire anyone who has a valid rethink, whichever party they represent. Research is all very well but things change without notice, so even the most well-prepared politician with the world's greatest researcher may have the landscape changed in front of him (or indeed, her...) which could lead to their original stance to be the wrong one.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know much about Theresa may but in general i think it's a good quality yeah, means you're more open to listening to everyone i think....although I do wonder about Politicians motives for doing u-turns sometimes

I wonder about politicians motives sometimes, whether they're u-turning or not.