[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I will speak bluntly and I'll address the same sarcasm as I am met with by many on here.

Personal insults have been hurled at me all day on various threads by several ...... but funy enough: that seems okay !! So you'll have to forgive me for standing my ground every now and then.

Really, funny that because I have seen none of it. All I see is you trying to hold a debate but resorting to being pedantic and difficult for the sake of it. Not a good way to get your point across or a good way to be if you want to be taken seriously with your point. Also, standing your ground is fine, but "the insults from other threads" have nothing to do with this debate.

This does not require a response.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by the truth

pls re read my last post which was rewritten before you replied. youve not explained. am I to presume youd have left in stranded?

I have explained in earlier posts.

Your thread is about the police and how they 'let his down in his time of need' as it's main thrust and 'what are the police for' etc.. - with a local taxi office taking a hit also and how cold and cruel Britain is these days.

What would I have done? I'd not have stopped late at night for some lone person walking in the rain........I pass dozens of them every night - if he wasn't in danger, which he wasn't going by what you have written, there would simply be no need to.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Really, funny that because I have seen none of it. All I see is you trying to hold a debate but resorting to being pedantic and difficult for the sake of it. Not a good way to get your point across or a good way to be if you want to be taken seriously with your point. Also, standing your ground is fine, but "the insults from other threads" have nothing to do with this debate.

This does not require a response.

Antagonism being brought onto this thread by others, from other threads is what I was referring to and it has happened.

If you are going to address me in public UKT, then it is fair that I too am allowed the same redress to you - otherwise what is the point of the PM facility that the mods tell us to use for such things.

I am raising points regarding my dubiety over the story - why there is such an issue with that, beats me - because I won't bend over and say how horrified I am at this is: how awful I find this or that I think the police should be ashamed - and not say that I simply don't believe this story.... somehow allows me to be targetted?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Antagonism being brought onto this thread by others, from other threads is what I was referring to and it has happened.

If you are going to address me in public UKT, then it is fair that I too am allowed the same redress to you - otherwise what is the point of the PM facility that the mods tell us to use for such things.

I am raising points regarding my dubiety over the story - why there is such an issue with that, beats me - because I won't bend over and say how horrified I am at this is: how awful I find this or that I think the police should be ashamed - and not say that I simply don't believe this story.... somehow allows me to be targetted?

Because I'm not looking, nor do I care for justification on what you are doing. I'm doing my job and telling you to stop. You are also fully aware of the procedure to take if you feel targeted.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are

I know, but the poor lad sounded scared and alone. I feel for him. I was in that position when i first cam to the UK. I had no job, not much money and nowhere to go. I was frightened, but people helped me.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Because I'm not looking, nor do I care for justification on what you are doing. I'm doing my job and telling you to stop. You are also fully aware of the procedure to take if you feel targeted.

Great stuff, I'll use the report facility in future for all such posts. thanks.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are

Points worth noting from above.

Correct. He was an adult.

He chose to visit a friend and chose to go with no money, no means of contacting anyone, not dressed for inclinement weather, no idea how to get back home (even the next day), despite this friend living 30 miles away, and couldn't wait outside until his friend had been interviewed for them to both then stay overnight together?.

And somehow, that makes him someone elses responsibility?

[InOne]

Should always have a plan B

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

From your opening post, I would agree, it would seem the Police were unwilling to help rather than they couldn't.

I would have expected them to do more really,I came across someone who seemed distressed just after I started Uni, I got her to a Mcdonalds, the only place open at the time, got her something to eat and a hot drink.

I have to admit I was glad I had another student friend with me at the time,as I was worried what people may have thought.
We persuaded her though to talk to the Police,there was a Constable walking up and down the street outside and he got her sorted and took things over from us.
So they can be of great assistance if they wish to be,I mention this as to my own personal experience only in that it possibly helps with your view as to your occurence in that would they have helped us had our she been a he, as in your instance.

The Police do have a lot to do admittedly and as we hear now, there are a great many wrongs all through the Police forces all over the Country.
However somone without a coat, therefore adequate clothing, no money, out on a rotten night,seemingly nowhere to go,clearly upset too and that it was also very late, would have,I would have thought anyway, warranted doing at the very least what you did and make sure he was at least safe until the next day.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

From your opening post, I would agree, it would seem the Police were unwilling to help rather than they couldn't.

I would have expected them to do more really,I came across someone who seemed distressed just after I started Uni, I got her to a Mcdonalds, the only place open at the time, got her something to eat and a hot drink.

I have to admit I was glad I had another student friend with me at the time,as I was worried what people may have thought.
We persuaded her though to talk to the Police,there was a Constable walking up and down the street outside and he got her sorted and took things over from us.
So they can be of great assistance if they wish to be,I mention this as to my own personal experience only in that it possibly helps with your view as to your occurence in that would they have helped us had our she been a he, as in your instance.

The Police do have a lot to do admittedly and as we hear now, there are a great many wrongs all through the Police forces all over the Country.
However somone without a coat, therefore adequate clothing, no money, out on a rotten night,seemingly nowhere to go,clearly upset too and that it was also very late, would have,I would have thought anyway, warranted doing at the very least what you did and make sure he was at least safe until the next day.

Poor boy! I can't believe police left him outside with no money and nowhere to go.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Points worth noting from above.

Correct. He was an adult.

He chose to visit a friend and chose to go with no money, no means of contacting anyone, not dressed for inclinement weather, no idea how to get back home (even the next day), despite this friend living 30 miles away, and couldn't wait outside until his friend had been interviewed for them to both then stay overnight together?.

And somehow, that makes him someone elses responsibility?

Yeah this part does stand out as quite odd. Surely he was planning on going home at some point...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know, but the poor lad sounded scared and alone. I feel for him. I was in that position when i first cam to the UK. I had no job, not much money and nowhere to go. I was frightened, but people helped me.

Excellent point, I would hope that overall most in Britain would still do that Vanessa and I am glad you found help when it was needed.
He did sound scared and alone from the opening post, he also seemed like he was possibly in an element of shock, all factors in my opinion anyway, to reach out to him.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Excellent point, I would hope that overall most in Britain would still do that Vanessa and I am glad you found help when it was needed.
He did sound scared and alone from the opening post, he also seemed like he was possibly in an element of shock, all factors in my opinion anyway, to reach out to him.

You'd have to be very cold hearted to refuse him help. I'm glad he got the help he needed at the end.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Poor boy! I can't believe police left him outside with no money and nowhere to go.

Yes, neither can I.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

You'd have to be very cold hearted to refuse him help. I'm glad he got the help he needed at the end.

Or pretty gullible .... there's always that possibility that he simply was 'at it'.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, neither can I.

They could have at least made sure he was ok. Maybe called a relative?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Or pretty gullible .... there's always that possibility that he simply was 'at it'.

Yes, it's possible. But he was still vulnerable. He could have been attacked or worse if he was left outside all alone. He's still only 18.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, it's possible. But he was still vulnerable. He could have been attacked or worse if he was left outside all alone. He's still only 18.

Not any more vulnerable than anyone else who could have waited until his 'friend' had finished been interviewed by the police: for them both to then go to wherever the 'friend' then stayed after his police interview.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Not any more vulnerable than anyone else who could have waited until his 'friend' had finished been interviewed by the police: for them both to then go to wherever the 'friend' then stayed after his police interview.

I agree that would have been better. I have no idea why the friend left him.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Or pretty gullible .... there's always that possibility that he simply was 'at it'.

At what?
He may have had a return bus or train ticket, no good in the middle of the night are they?


I think this subject is exausted, what else can be said? he asked a local cabby for help as the police couldn't or wouldn't...
It's not indicative of failures within the police or society, it's just one incident.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

At what?
He may have had a return bus or train ticket, no good in the middle of the night are they?


I think this subject is exausted, what else can be said? he asked a local cabby for help as the police couldn't or wouldn't...
It's not indicative of failures within the police or society, it's just one incident.

According to the OP's recollection of the story, he had no idea how he was going to get home the next day either..... so I'm guessing (ever the cynic that I am) that he'd have relied on someone else getting him home the next, either via arranging tranport for him or giving him the money. Either way: he was going to be expecting someone else to sort that out for him.

I do happen to totally agree 100% on your final comment.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

According to the OP's recollection of the story, he had no idea how he was going to get home the next day either..... so I'm guessing (ever the cynic that I am) that he'd have relied on someone else getting him home the next, either via arranging tranport for him or giving him the money. Either way: he was going to be expecting someone else to sort that out for him.

I do happen to totally agree 100% on your final comment.

Well we cannot know that for certain so I will give the guy the benefit of the doubt.