[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

And a Lady Judge to take his place

Don't imagine for a minute that female judges make fewer dubious decisions than male judges. In my humble opinion they're mostly out of touch with reality.

Originally Posted by arista

And a Lady Judge to take his place

I think they're still refereed to as judges, and not "lady judges".

[AnnieKristmas]

The fault does lie entirely at the feet of the man, in my opinion. The girl did not commit an illegal act, he did. Unfortunately, this only highlights what a lot of women who bring these kind of cases to court are faced with. I attended court with a family member who had been raped (date rape) and she was faced with similar comments from the prosecutor and witnesses about her sexual history and her life was effectively ruined by bringing this case to court (in her mind) and now has no faith in the justice system and would never advise anyone to make a complaint as the mistakes made and slurs implied were devastating, not taking into account the state she was in on the night of the assault, the physical evidence, bruising, bleeding etc all the prosecution were interested in was that she was a single girl with a past...anyway, my point in this is that this happens regularly in cases such as these where the victim bears (wrongly) the blame for the assaults and in my opinion the justice system needs reviewing on this. This is only in the press as this victim is an underage girl but it is a pitfall that faces a lot of women when they are brave enough to face their abuser and speak out in a court.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think anyone's suggesting that the girl was able to consent, nor that the man wasn't 100% in the wrong. The outcry in the press as far as I can see seems to centre around the comments that the girl was sexually experienced and predatory. She is thirteen years old.

While the man is undoubtedly 100% to blame and in my opinion should have been jailed, the fact that there are 13 year old girls in this country who are both sexually active and sexually provocative, and that some people are not deeply concerned by that, is a damning indictment on the whole of our society.

Very good point

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Good Post.........I agree as a Society we cannot complain too much when young teenage children become sexually active to the point of being "predatory" when they are bombarded by psuedo sexual imagery from all forms of advertising from a very early age. Coupled with the almost criminal ease with which hardcore pornography is assessable is it any wonder we have so many young teenagers with a casual attitude to sex with many different partners and in this case age groups.

However, having said all that the man in question has no right thinking he was a victim in this case. He invited this young schoolgirl into his home and probably encouraged her to perform on him. He was clearly in the wrong and as an earlier poster has said........sex with a minor is still classed as statutory rape and he should have received a jail sentence for his actions.

And to hear the girl classed as predatory by the Judge is unacceptable as the man was over 3 times her age and should have known better.

What sort of message does this case send out to other would be Peadophiles ??

I completely agree that the man in question is 100% in the wrong, and like I've said numerous times before, in my opinion he should have been jailed.

Thing is though, some 13 year olds ARE predatory and provocative, but sadly, without being skilled in making good decisions like a grown woman might. They look like women, they dress like women... but they're children. If a woman wants to dress provocatively, she has the mental capacity to deal with unwanted attention on a much higher level than a child would in the same situation. The sexualisation of children is an issue in our society and one that needs sorting.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

''you cannot wave an uncorked bottle in front of an alcoholic and then be outraged when they take a drink''.

This is probably the single most disgusting thing I have ever read on this forum and makes a mockery women everywhere who protest against the premise that the way women dress and act in some way justifies the abuse they suffer...
What makes it all the more disgusting is that it was said in the defence of a man who assaulted a child and not a woman.
There is no grey area in law it is black and white there should be no 'extenuating circumstances' that excused this man from his actions, sex with a 13yr old is illegal consensual or not for a reason.

http://slutmeansspeakup.org.uk/

''The protest movement was sparked by a Canadian policeman who advised students to "avoid dressing like sluts" to avoid being victimised.

Since then, thousands of people worldwide have taken to the streets to highlight a culture in which they say the victim, rather than the abuser, is blamed''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13739876

I think this is a ridiculously exaggerated response and pretty rude

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

I think this is a ridiculously exaggerated response and pretty rude

It is my opinion marc...
This is not the subject to be throwing around your glib responses either.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is my opinion marc...
This is not the subject to be throwing around you glib responses either.

Excuse me?

And how exactly would you describe your response to Livia then?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

Excuse me?

And how exactly would you describe your response to Livia then?

I'm not being drawn out on this, if you didn't like my tone that is your issue but I expressed how I felt and my response reflects that.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not being drawn out on this, if you didn't like my tone that is your issue but I expressed how I felt and my response reflects that.

I don't feel I need to draw you out at all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

I don't feel I need to draw you out at all.

Good for you, so carry on expressing your opinion and don't question mine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I think they're still refereed to as judges, and not "lady judges".

Sure
I am just saying a Lady taking his job would be better

[Pigeon Lady]

..what I do find slightly ironic as well is that this ruling has been made and this leniency been inappropriately shown for such a crime when the government are discussing bans on the internet to help prevent paedophilia and protect young people, I know this isn't an internet case but I find that very ironic and not sending the signal of what apparently is hoped to be achieved, which is to protect the child...

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
I am just saying a Lady taking his job would be better

Are we now accusing the judge of being sexist? I'm fairly confident that his decision had nothing to do with his gender, nor does his gender have anything to do with his abilities.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Good for you, so carry on expressing your opinion and don't question mine.

HA! You questioned Livia's though, why can you question hers and I'm not allowed to question yours? Ridiculous

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Are we now accusing the judge of being sexist? I'm fairly confident that his decision had nothing to do with his gender, nor does his gender have anything to do with his abilities.

No he is a Dirty Old Judge,
his gender does come into this.

[Z]

Incredible.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Incredible.

Judge Nigel Peters has been criticised after
describing a sex abuse victim as 'predatory'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2bHumM1KE

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

HA! You questioned Livia's though, why can you question hers and I'm not allowed to question yours? Ridiculous

Marc. what are you trying to achieve here?
You suggested my response was exaggerated; It wasn't.
How would I describe my response? Apt.
Are we done now?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Marc. what are you trying to achieve here?
You suggested my response was exaggerated; It wasn't.
How would I describe my response? Apt.
Are we done now?

If that's what you want to believe.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

If that's what you want to believe.

It's what I know to be the truth marc.

[CaudleHalbard]

I wouldn't wish to comment on this case because we, the public, only ever get told a fraction of the story.

I would merely observe that in a country like, for example, Spain this case would never even have come to court. Why? Because the age of consent is 13 in Spain. Funny old world isn't it?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I wouldn't wish to comment on this case because we, the public, only ever get told a fraction of the story.

I would merely observe that in a country like, for example, Spain this case would never even have come to court. Why? Because the age of consent is 13 in Spain. Funny old world isn't it?

http://now.msn.com/spain-raises-age-...t-marriage-age

[Z]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

http://now.msn.com/spain-raises-age-...t-marriage-age

Well what do you know! Good on Spain for finally changing it!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Zee

Well what do you know! Good on Spain for finally changing it!

Yeah, jeez about time too