[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

The hashtag for it on Twitter is a cesspool of them preaching that the film is pushing a “woke” agenda and saying it’s a crap film when they haven’t even seen it, half of them are basing their opinions on the trailers and passing off their opinions as facts.

Incels that hate women and anything to do with women because they blame the world for no one wanting to **** 'em, easier to blame women for not finding them attractive then to consider that they themselves might be the issue.

It always comes down to the same thing, childish men thinking they are entitled to sex and being mad at the world for being entirely un****able.

[Niamh.]

I really enjoyed this, it was a really fun movie but I agree with Leon about the age rating, I dont understand why it was 16s

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Incels that hate women and anything to do with women because they blame the world for no one wanting to **** 'em, easier to blame women for not finding them attractive then to consider that they themselves might be the issue.

It always comes down to the same thing, childish men thinking they are entitled to sex and being mad at the world for being entirely un****able.

But Dezzy weren't people hating on The Joker for being too misonginistic ? . Despite the box office success.

I form no opinion on either as I haven't seen The joker & I haven't seen Birds of prey .

But people seem to forget these are just movies not to be taken seriously.

I know some push a political agenda which can be annoying , but also these things can be based around certain characters and their stories .

[Jessica.]

My boyfriend and I enjoyed it. I hope the name change helps.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But Dezzy weren't people hating on The Joker for being too misonginistic ? .

Yes. Sadly, everyone is their own brand of trash these days.

[Amy Jade]

I enjoyed this too, I do think the pacing was off though, it starts well but gets a little bogged down in the middle. I agree with those saying it didnt warrant an R rating, it wasn't graphic at all.

[Oliver_W]

I don't think it's fair to say its failure is down to incels. Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, The Hustle, Dark Phoenix, and that Rebel Wilson romcom were all successful and/or well liked.

Sometimes it really does come down to marketing. Most of the publicity for the film made it clear it was a feminist movie, and sometimes this publicity teetered over the "teehee, not for you, boys!"

Plus, a completely shallow point... These are the comics Birds of Prey:

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and this is the movie version:

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I'm all for averting the male gaze, but that doesn't sell movie tickets...

[LukeB]

Dark phoenix was a box office flop and had bad reviews...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Dark phoenix was a box office flop and had bad reviews...

Oops you're right xD well I guess that's another example of bad publicity sinking something - that widely circulated clip of Mystique bitching at Professor X turned a lot of people off.

[Niamh.]

I never really liked the X Men franchise anyway. The only one I really really loved was Logan

[James]

I think the main reason for the box-office under-performance is that Suicide Squad didn't live up to expectations of the marketing, for many. So they didn't bother with this.

That and the 'R'/'15' rating.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oops you're right xD well I guess that's another example of bad publicity sinking something - that widely circulated clip of Mystique bitching at Professor X turned a lot of people off.

Dark Phoenix flopping wasn't down to bad marketing, it was down to it being not very good... And essentially, the entire X-men reboot cycle not being very good. First Class is an OK film, and Future Past has a couple of standout scenes but overall is a mess. Apocalypse is dumb and Dark Phoenix is just... Not even entertaining.

Logan is good but it's more like "Joker" - not fully attached to the franchise, more of an alternate timeline take.

In this case I can't fully comment as I haven't seen Birds of Prey, but I've seen a lot of comparisons to Suicide Squad and IMO, Suicide Squad is just not a good movie. In terms of narrative and editing, it's an absolute mess. Justice League was the same, and the cinematic cut of BvS (though I still like the directors cut).

I get the same vibes from the trailer for this. I'll still watch it on home release though and give it the benefit of the doubt.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Dark Phoenix flopping wasn't down to bad marketing, it was down to it being not very good... And essentially, the entire X-men reboot cycle not being very good. First Class is an OK film, and Future Past has a couple of standout scenes but overall is a mess. Apocalypse is dumb and Dark Phoenix is just... Not even entertaining.

Logan is good but it's more like "Joker" - not fully attached to the franchise, more of an alternate timeline take.

In this case I can't fully comment as I haven't seen Birds of Prey, but I've seen a lot of comparisons to Suicide Squad and IMO, Suicide Squad is just not a good movie. In terms of narrative and editing, it's an absolute mess. Justice League was the same, and the cinematic cut of BvS (though I still like the directors cut).

I get the same vibes from the trailer for this. I'll still watch it on home release though and give it the benefit of the doubt.

Probably why it's the only one I liked then