[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yep, this is good news, and also last year in Greece golden dawn dropping out of their parliament, so basically that neo-nazi group losing power there

old thread where i posted in about greece's golden dawn


there has been a court trial today for that party

After a trial lasting more than five years, the leadership of Greece's neo-Nazi party has been convicted of running a criminal organisation.

Big crowds gathered outside the court in Athens as the judges gave verdicts on 68 defendants.

Golden Dawn won 18 MPs in 2012 as Greeks were battered by a financial crisis.

The criminal inquiry into the party began with the murder of an anti-fascist rapper in 2013.

Leader Nikos Michaloliakos and six colleagues were convicted of heading a criminal group. Supporter Giorgos Roupakias was found guilty of murdering an anti-racist musician and 15 others were convicted of conspiracy in the case.

Some 2,000 police were being deployed around Athens Appeals Court as thousands of protesters demanded long jail terms, carrying banners that read "fear will not win" and "Nazis in prison", Greek media reported.

Tear gas was fired into the crowd as clashes began.

Hundreds of witnesses gave evidence in the trial, which this year has been hit by the Covid-19 pandemic.

Who was on trial?
At the centre of the trial are Golden Dawn leader Nikos Michaloliakos and 18 ex-MPs who were elected in 2012 when the neo-Nazi party came third in national elections on an anti-immigrant, nationalist platform. Golden Dawn no longer has any MPs in parliament,

After they won almost 7% of the vote in May 2012, emboldened supporters attacked political opponents and migrants.

Golden Dawn supporter Giorgos Roupakias had already confessed to the murder of rapper Pavlos Fyssas. The musician was chased down by thugs and stabbed in Piraeus in September 2013.

What were the verdicts?
The key verdict on Wednesday was that Golden Dawn - Chrysi Avgi in Greek - was a criminal group. Its leadership was found guilty of running it.

They included Michaloliakos and six colleagues, including former MPs Ilias Kasidiaris, Ioannis Lagos, Christos Pappas and Giorgos Germenis. Others were found guilty of joining a criminal organisation.

As well as the deadly stabbing of Pavlos Fyssas, defendants in the trial were also convicted of other violent attacks on migrants and left-wing political opponents.

Five Golden Dawn members were convicted of the attempted murders of Egyptian fishermen and four of the attempted murder of communist activists in the PAME union.

Who is their leader?
Nikos Michaloliakos founded the movement in the mid-1980s and was admirer of Nazism and a Holocaust denier, giving the Hitler salute at party rallies.

But he had always denied any knowledge of the Pavlos Fyssas murder. When police raided his home in 2013, they found weapons and ammunition.

Golden Dawn officially denied being a neo-Nazi movement, but its badge closely resembled a swastika, some senior members praised Adolf Hitler, and the clothing of choice at anti-immigrant protests was black T-shirts and combat trousers.

Witnesses told the trial that members were trained to handle weapons and used Nazi symbols.

Last December, chief prosecutor Adamantia Economou prompted uproar, with a call for the party officials to be cleared, arguing there was no evidence they had any part in planning or carrying out the series of attacks.

How has Greece reacted
There has been disgust at Golden Dawn across the political spectrum in Greece.

Centre-right Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis wrote at the weekend of Greece's "traumatic, painful, and unfortunately, very bloody" experience of Golden Dawn, while ultimately praising the country's democratic success in getting rid of it both in parliament and daily life.

Left-wing opposition leader Alexis Tsipras was adamant that "members of this criminal gang must go to prison".

Nils Muiznieks of Amnesty International said the trial had been a serious test for Greek justice but that a "clear and unequivocal message" could help deter future racist violence.

Meanwhile, the Jewish cemetery in Athens was daubed this week with anti-Semitic graffiti and Nazi slogans, prompting condemnation from Greek ministers and the Jewish community.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54433396

about time, it would be deserved a jail punishment is handed out, for that murder of the left wing rapper alone, but they are like a very very dangerous vile party

[Nicky91]

this one their leader, also note at their logo (very similar to nazi germany flag)


it was already good they lost seats in parliament, but this is even better, labelling them as crime organisation

[Oliver_W]

I wonder how they even won those 18 MPs, nazism has been basically dead since WWII. I guess they were wolves in sheep clothing until their true colours showed through?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I wonder how they even won those 18 MPs, nazism has been basically dead since WWII. I guess they were wolves in sheep clothing until their true colours showed through?

well threats can do that, and like you said they were first not standing out much politically wise until they took action (+ murdering supporters of their opposition, journalists included)

also Golden Dawn had plans to be more globally active too, as the number one neo-nazi party

good on the greek justice system having stopped them, and now they are labelled as crime organisation, their political days are as good as dead, since no one wants to support criminals

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I wonder how they even won those 18 MPs, nazism has been basically dead since WWII. I guess they were wolves in sheep clothing until their true colours showed through?

Nazism being dead since WWII is quite the take.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

nazism has been basically dead since WWII

On what planet? The well-documented history and increasing global political presence of fascism (in Hungary, Germany, France, Chile, the U.S., Brazil.. the list goes on) is why the concept of neo-Nazism exists in the first place

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MB.

On what planet? The well-documented history and increasing global political presence of fascism (in Hungary, Germany, France, Chile, the U.S., Brazil.. the list goes on) is why the concept of neo-Nazism exists in the first place

Presence maybe, but fascsism doesn't have any actual power in any of those countries.

(well maybe Brazil, don't know what's going on there?)

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by MB.

On what planet? The well-documented history and increasing global political presence of fascism (in Hungary, Germany, France, Chile, the U.S., Brazil.. the list goes on) is why the concept of neo-Nazism exists in the first place

Netherlands also has few fascists for sure, a lesser extent Wilders and a more hardcore fascist, narcissist Baudet


Germany's fascism really has been not that popular anymore, few regions but they are on losing side too, and any fascist crime organisation is dealt with there nowadays

Poland's Duda is not that bad, i mean he even wants to listen to opposition and how he could make country good for all sides

Belarus's Lukashenko is kinda worse, very much radical far right, with own military force to remain in power, that much he wants opposition out of country

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I wonder how they even won those 18 MPs, nazism has been basically dead since WWII. I guess they were wolves in sheep clothing until their true colours showed through?

It was at the height of Greece's economic crisis, poverty always breeds extremism

[Kizzy]

Maybe that was the reason for all our austerity measures then seeing as every economist insisted the only way to recover was to grow our way out of the global recession?

What have our cuts caused?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe that was the reason for all our austerity measures then seeing as every economist insisted the only way to recover was to grow our way out of the global recession?

What have our cuts caused?

This thread is about Greece and the golden dawn

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This thread is about Greece and the golden dawn

Nazism and the historical causes are completely relevant. It's even in the title.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Nazism and the historical causes are completely relevant. It's even in the title.

That is great but it didnt anything to do with my reply to kizzy who was trying to start talking about UK left wing politics

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is great but it didnt anything to do with my reply to kizzy who was trying to start talking about UK left wing politics

Not really, she linked our austerity to the thread. I think even most right wingers would concede that the far right is well and truly on the march again. Kizzy raised a question that linked on to Matt's post. Not sure why policing the thread is even important to you maybe point out where she's wrong, rather than just trying to shut her down. You never know, it might even lead on to a discussion.