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Originally Posted by Alf

Yes Alf
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what i find particularly insane is that people with daughters are supporting Trump and Farage, knowing what effect this will have on their daughters as it spreads through the world

I think what needs to be asked, but I feel like both sides of the aisle will get defensive when being asked this very important question.

Why are such unlikable people like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage gaining so much support?

And away from Politicians, why are people like Andrew Tate gaining so many followers? Again I think even his support base deep down knows that he is a prick, but something about their current situation in their lives, draws them to him.

We've got a broken society in the Western side of the world, but people are either too scared of pointing it out, or too blinded by the Sports team logic that they're not even realistically looking at any options on how to try and nip these guys support in the bud.

I obviously don't have the answer to any of these problems, but surely the brighter people of this world should have some good ideas about how to fix these issues.

People are clearly unhappy with current life if they're worshipping Trump or Tate imo, and I don't mean that in a hostile way (in fact I have some sympathy) because current life in certain areas in western countries is terrible and drone like.

But a happy person in society would not be voting for Donald Trump.

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Originally Posted by arista

Slick Liam is good at that

But what I find interesting is that nobody has said that Liam is lying.

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Vance's childhood was marked by poverty and abuse, and his mother struggled with drug addiction

By February 2018, Vance began changing his opinion, saying Trump "is one of the few political leaders in America that recognizes the frustration that exists in large parts of Ohio, Pennsylvania, eastern Kentucky and so forth".[152]

Vance supported Trump in 2020.[153] In July 2021, he apologized for calling Trump "reprehensible" and deleted posts from 2016 from his Twitter account that were critical of him.[154][155] Vance said that he now thought Trump was a good president and expressed regret about his criticism during the 2016 election.[147] Vance visited Mar-a-Lago to meet with Trump and Peter Thiel ahead of an official announcement regarding his U.S. Senate campaign.[57]

In October 2021, Vance reiterated Trump's false claims of election fraud, saying that Trump lost the 2020 presidential election because of widespread voter fraud.[156] On April 15, 2022, Trump endorsed Vance for U.S. Senate.[148]

After historian Robert Kagan wrote a November 2023 Washington Post opinion piece titled "A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending", Vance wrote Attorney General Merrick Garland a letter suggesting Kagan be prosecuted for promoting "open rebellion" by Democrat-controlled states. Kagan said that his piece did not advocate rebellion and remarked, "It is revealing that their first instinct when attacked by a journalist is to suggest that they be locked up

a much better running mate than Pence the Rat


also how relatable he is, coming from nothing to this, a great example of Self Made same like Rihanna almost in terms of childhood

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If Donald Trump was looking for an attack dog to join his presidential ticket, then Senator JD Vance of Ohio has already proved himself more than ready and willing to fit the bill.

As recently as Saturday, in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s attempted assassination in Pennsylvania, Vance posted on social media so inflammatory that even some seasoned Republican observers believed that he was too toxic to be selected as Trump’s sidekick.

Denying the attack on Trump was an “isolated incident”, Vance claimed that “the central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination”.
On Monday afternoon, just as the Republican Convention was getting underway here, Trump unveiled Vance as his running mate, and effectively anointed him as his successor to lead the “Make America Great Again” movement at the end of his second term in the White House. “J.D. will continue to fight for our Constitution, stand with our Troops, and will do everything he can to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN”, Trump claimed in a social media posting.

Vance’s selection is the culmination of an extraordinary journey for both men that led them to appear together on Monday night for the official launch of the 2024 Republican ticket.

Trump announces J.D. Vance as Vice President pick
Eight years ago, when Trump first sought the Presidency, Vance was one of his most outspoken critics. He called Trump “America’s Hitler” in a private message to a friend. In a New York Times editorial, he insisted that Trump was “unfit for the nation’s highest office”. In an article for The Atlantic, he called Trump’s policy balms the “Opioid of the Masses”.

But following Trump’s 2016 election victory, Vance began the process of recreating himself in the image of America’s new president. In 2022 he won election to the Senate in his home state of Ohio, where his hardscrabble early life – chronicled in his best-selling memoir “Hillbilly Elegy” – struck a chord with working class voters.

His career first in the Marines, then studying at Yale Law School before working in Silicon Valley as a venture capitalist brought him to Trump’s attention via Paypal’s co-founder Peter Thiel, a longtime supporter of the former President.

By the time this year’s Presidential cycle was underway, Vance had adhered himself firmly to Trump, embracing his stances on tariffs (he supports them), Ukraine (he opposes American assistance for Kyiv) and immigration (he’s against it, because he think it floods America with cheap labour that corporate behemoths must learn to live without).

Vance has traditionally been a fierce opponent of abortion rights, describing himself as “solidly pro-life”. He opposes surgical abortions, even in the case of rape or incest except when a mother’s life is in danger.

But, perhaps sensing he may soon have to debate Vice President Kamala Harris on the issue, last week he told NBC that he favors the legality of mifepristone, the abortion pill that is now responsible for more than 50% of pregnancy terminations in the United States.

Vance has also been burnishing his foreign policy credentials in recent months.

He attended the Munich Security Conference in February and delivered what he called a “wake-up call to say that Europe has to take a bigger role in its own security”. America under Trump, he warned, would be pivoting away from the continent and focusing instead on Chinese expansionism in the Asia-Pacific region.

Among those officials he met in Europe, was then-Shadow Foreign Secretary David Lammy. The two men reportedly had a productive conversation that led to Lammy later visiting Washington to engage in further outreach with prominent figures in Trumpworld ahead of the UK’s election and his appointment as Foreign Secretary.

On the convention floor, delegates embraced Trump’s selection of Vance enthusiastically. “He’s one of our best Senators”, former Republican Congressman Madison Cawthorne told i in an interview on the convention floor. “I’m so excited to have such a strong conservative as VP”, he enthused.

Congressman Anthony D’Esposito of New York told i that at the age of 39 – 20 years younger than Kamala Harris – Vance is helping the Republican Party prepare for a transition to a younger generation of leaders. “I think it shows that our party is not only unified, but that the Republican Party is also embracing youth”, he said shortly after Vance was officially nominated.

But some right-leaning voices harbour doubts about Vance, and his new-found willingness to be Trump’s Mini-Me. “He was a hard-core Never Trumper not many years ago, and he reversed himself completely not that long ago”, observed Brit Hume, Fox News analyst and veteran White House Correspondent.

“Did he get it because he was really the best qualified to be President, or did he get it because he sucked up effectively to be the nominee. People will have questions about that”, he told possibly startled Fox News viewers.

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think what needs to be asked, but I feel like both sides of the aisle will get defensive when being asked this very important question.

Why are such unlikable people like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage gaining so much support?

And away from Politicians, why are people like Andrew Tate gaining so many followers? Again I think even his support base deep down knows that he is a prick, but something about their current situation in their lives, draws them to him.

We've got a broken society in the Western side of the world, but people are either too scared of pointing it out, or too blinded by the Sports team logic that they're not even realistically looking at any options on how to try and nip these guys support in the bud.

I obviously don't have the answer to any of these problems, but surely the brighter people of this world should have some good ideas about how to fix these issues.

People are clearly unhappy with current life if they're worshipping Trump or Tate imo, and I don't mean that in a hostile way (in fact I have some sympathy) because current life in certain areas in western countries is terrible and drone like.

But a happy person in society would not be voting for Donald Trump.

it has all happened because the general public across the western world are unhappy that their living standards have really not improved for the last 20 years. When you get that level of discontent and near instant messaging anywhere in the world you give a voice to extremists

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Vance really doesn’t help Trump appeal to more than has rabid base, if he had gone for someone that isn’t quite so ‘maga’ he could have made a bit of progress with the independents who don’t like how extreme he is, Vance is not going to do that for him

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it has all happened because the general public across the western world are unhappy that their living standards have really not improved for the last 20 years. When you get that level of discontent and near instant messaging anywhere in the world you give a voice to extremists

I think it's definitely playing a part.

But I also think one of the other reasons is that a lot of people are getting fed up of the Media (in all of it's various forms) dictating to people on what is right and wrong, and if you happen to disagree with them on a topic, you're public enemy number 1, as the Media will make sure to get the public on your case.

It's hard to put it into words (because I'm never the best at explaining these things) but society over the last decade in particular has just not so slowly gotten more and more stiff in the West, I feel like people are scared of saying anything with actual character and personality if their face is out there (even if it's just with friends,) there's an uneasiness and false morality/beliefs that some (not all) pretend to have just to fit in, and not potentially get their face splashed all over Social Media to be harassed and threatened over something that they've said.

It's why I think that such a troll like Trump has garnered such a loyal fanbase, because whilst what he says is disgusting 95% of the time, his supporters love how spontaneous he can be with his comments (and tbh, I can admire that aspect of him too) it's just such a shame that I don't agree with him on almost anything.

But his fanbase hears what he says at his rallies, and they see him as an "honest" man which they see as refreshing, plus they'll agree with some of his points obviously.

There's probably other reasons too for his sudden support, but I'm just not thinking of them right now.

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Vance really doesn’t help Trump appeal to more than has rabid base, if he had gone for someone that isn’t quite so ‘maga’ he could have made a bit of progress with the independents who don’t like how extreme he is, Vance is not going to do that for him

I hope that you're right.

Someone like Vance should not be the VP.

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

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Why are such unlikable people like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage gaining so much support?


Mock its because they are likeable they are popular

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Why are such unlikable people like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage gaining so much support?


Mock its because they are likeable they are popular

If people are really thinking that, then that's another interesting thing to try and figure out why a horrible person like Trump, would be seen as a likable Human Being.

Because I honestly think that if we went back a few decades, that Trump would not be quite so popular with the way that he speaks about people.

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Why are such unlikable people like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage gaining so much support?


Mock its because they are likeable they are popular

I have no idea what Farages view is on women and their rights as its not something I have ever heard him speak about, but dont you have any qualms about Trump and Vance?

[Liam-]

Trump and Farage are not likeable, that’s a complete myth, their only appeal is that they prey on peoples weakness and hate minorities to speak to the bigots that most politicians rightfully ignore

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Vance really doesn’t help Trump appeal to more than has rabid base, if he had gone for someone that isn’t quite so ‘maga’ he could have made a bit of progress with the independents who don’t like how extreme he is, Vance is not going to do that for him

The reason trump went for Vance is because he thinks he has the election won already, without needing to appeal to non maga types. The way things are shaping up, he is probably right. The dems are on a downward spiral

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I have no idea what Farages view is on women and their rights as its not something I have ever heard him speak about, but dont you have any qualms about Trump and Vance?

No as I am not an American voter but half of the people who will vote for them will be women. In a binary type choice I doubt any USA voter is for every stance its more the amalgamation of the lot.

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No as I am not an American voter but half of the people who will vote for them will be women. In a binary type choice I doubt any USA voter is for every stance its more the amalgamation of the lot.

That is true, which is why centrist politics is usually more palatable, Women dont have a great choice in American politics the other side have opened up safe spaces and womens sport to abuse...so rock and a hard place for alot of women in the main

At least here you have more choices to vote for even it that still makes it difficult

Are there any other smaller parties in the US?

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Are there any other smaller parties in the US?

nope, they have a 2 party system and then independents that can stand, but they have no party

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Vance is a practicing Catholic hence his stance on abortion. I think it's a bit more nuanced than is being presented though; you can oppose abortion in principle and still not support a blanket ban across the country. I believe he thinks those decisions should be made at state level

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

nope, they have a 2 party system and then independents that can stand, but they have no party

Right... so basically independents have no chance?

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Originally Posted by Cherie

That is true, which is why centrist politics is usually more palatable, Women dont have a great choice in American politics the other side have opened up safe spaces and womens sport to abuse...so rock and a hard place for alot of women in the main

At least here you have more choices to vote for even it that still makes it difficult

Are there any other smaller parties in the US?

Yep scary time to be a woman in America.

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No he has said he supports a national ban on abortion, he’s an adult covert Christian and wants to push his ‘beliefs’ on the country

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Right... so basically independents have no chance?

Robert F Kennedy Jr is running as an independent and polling at about 8% which is higher than most independents would get