[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My 1.8 percent was the total of gay men in uk...

Then it’s 0.009% of sexual violence between gay and bisexual men

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

an estimated 3.3% of women (798,000) and 1.2% of men (275,000) aged 16 years and over experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year
a higher proportion of adults aged 16 to 24 years were victims of sexual assault in the last year compared with those aged 25 years and over
a higher proportion of full-time students were victims of sexual assault in the last year than those in any other occupation type
a higher proportion of single adults were victims of more sexual assault in the last year than those with any other marital status


I mean it’s still more women.

Women commit sexual violence to men and I just really half of gay and bi men experience sexual violence and if parms number of 1.8% is right that means roughly 0.009%

He's talking about the officially reported proportion of gay to straight males in the general population (1.8% vs 98.2% straight), which makes the proportionate difference far worse and frankly shocking for your stat about near 50% victim rate is accurate.

That said, I would disregard that whole statistic (1.8%) entirely - I doubt it's even close to being accurate (it'll be higher), I wouldn't even factor it in at all.

It is of course more women - the majority of those experiencing sexual violence are female by a very large margin, and the majority of sexual violence perps are straight men, also by a very large margin.

But we're talking about proportionate risk which means you have to factor in the ratio of straight men to gave men in the population, and scale for population size before talking about thee base numbers.

The stats you've given scaled for population say that sexual violence in the gay community is a proportionately bigger problem than in the general population. Now... I suspect that's probably accurate, I think it's widely known and not particularly controversial to say, and like I said the reasons for it are a totally separate discussion... but effectively that's what Parmy was pointing at with his unarguably offensive post. The real issue is just the way it was framed. "Sexual violence is a problem in the gay community" isn't a problematic statement. Saying "Gay folks like rape" - obviously - is a different story.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Then it’s 0.009% of sexual violence between gay and bisexual men

I'm sorry Glenn genuinely this is a total stats fail 0.009% relates to absolutely nothing that's been said in this thread.

[Beso]

1.8 percent of uk males are gay...

A quarter of reported sex crimes are inflicted upon men.


Assuming its mostly male on male one can only follow the stats and those stats prove their are a lot if perverts in the gay male community.

Stats dont lie, and neither do I

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's probably less reported . Same goes for when women assault men...we hear less about it . But then saying that ... there's been a weird rise in female teachers grooming male pupils.



Well overall I'd agree, it's mostly men assaulting women. But as for the stats...I'm not sure how accurate it is... as like I say there's so much unreported . Then there's the population of people etc.

It’s hard to find statistics but I found one that said nearly 45% of gay and bisexual men are victims of sexual violence.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm sorry Glenn genuinely this is a total stats fail 0.009% relates to absolutely nothing that's been said in this thread.

Well if 1.8% is the percentage of gay men and nearly half (45%) have experienced sexual violence. I just halved 1.8%

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s hard to find statistics but I found one that said nearly 45% of gay and bisexual men are victims of sexual violence.

Honestly it seems like you're arguing against your own point here though? Like I said I think the stats are right and I think it's generally well understood that, for a whole host of reasons, sexual violence within the gay community is a huge problem.

But your initial point was that "it's still heterosexuals flying the flag for sexual violence".

But you now seem to be pointing out that gay men are at increased risk of sexual violence -- the vast majority of which will be perpetrated by other men.

These are diametrically opposed arguments?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well if 1.8% is the percentage of gay men and nearly half (45%) have experienced sexual violence. I just halved 1.8%

Well for one that would be 0.9% not 0.009% and for two that would be saying:

"0.9% of the overall general population are gay men who have experienced sexual assault"

Which (by these numbers) is correct as a statement, but it doesn't really mean anything .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s hard to find statistics but I found one that said nearly 45% of gay and bisexual men are victims of sexual violence.

That doesn't surprise me tbh ,I remember on the news quite awhile ago a guy saying he was groped in a club...
I think it was a gay bar. It was highlighting the risks ... especially when people are out partying.

And I've seen videos online of women promoting the special glass cover ,to make it harder for people to spike their drinks.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Well for one that would be 0.9% not 0.009% and for two that would be saying:

"0.9% of the overall general population are gay men who have experienced sexual assault"

Which (by these numbers) is correct as a statement, but it doesn't really mean anything .

Well the calculator came out with 0.009% not me.

And either way that’s the percentage of gay related sexual crimes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well the calculator came out with 0.009% not me.

And either way that’s the percentage of gay related sexual crimes.

It's around 52% of women who experience sexual assault so quite close to the percentage of gay men as victims. What that tells me is it doesn't really matter if a man is straight or gay, men in general are by far the biggest perpetrators of sexual assaults

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

And either way that’s the percentage of gay related sexual crimes.

It isn't. I dunno what to say. Both the maths and the interpretation are just not correct.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's around 52% of women who experience sexual assault so quite close to the percentage of gay men as victims. What that tells me is it doesn't really matter if a man is straight or gay, men in general are by far the biggest perpetrators of sexual assaults

For me I suspect if you boiled down all factors that's what would come out in the wash -- there's a proportion of men who are perpetrators of sexual assault, and sexuality doesn't really seem to make much if any difference at all, other than that straight men assault women and gay men assault men.

More or less impossible to compile ACTUAL stats on that though because of the number of other considerations and factors that play into the numbers.

[Beso]

If you go by percentages there is a massive difference in the percentage of straight offenders compared to gay offenders. Once you add the sexual orientation of the offenders into things it makes for some shocking statistics that dont shine a good light on the gay community.

[Beso]

In short, if you are gay, you are more likely to offend or be a victim than straight males and females.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If you go by percentages there is a massive difference in the percentage of straight offenders compared to gay offenders. Once you add the sexual orientation of the offenders into things it makes for some shocking statistics that dont shine a good light on the gay community.

By the stats it doesn't but two of the stats in particular are generally thought to be not correct as officially reported

1) The number of women who experience assaults (and thus the number of straight male offenders) is wildly under-reported, and rates of successful charges are low even when they are reported.

2) 1.8% is an official census stats/ONS data for homosexuality and is highly likely to be lower than the actual figure, which is probably over 5%, and will be especially relevant when it comes to assaults, as a large number of assaults on men-by-men will be carried out by men who are not openly gay.

[edit] That said, sexual violence is a problem in the LGBTQ community, that's a known thing and not a particularly controversial thing to say. The reasons for that are many and varied. It's not really acceptable to use it to cast aspersions.

[Beso]

Just acceptable to ignore it instead is it?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well the calculator came out with 0.009% not me.

You need a calculator to half 1.8? Why? It's exactly the same as halving 18, but you move the decimal point.

And I guarantee no calculator had trouble with dividing 1.8 by 2 ... that is the problem you entered into your calculator, right?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just acceptable to ignore it instead is it?

On here, in the public in general, or professionals? People on here (all of us it seems) have our reasons for the things we say/admit, in the public realm maybe it is or isn't a known and talked about thing I'm not sure, but I do know for a fact that it's a well understood thing in professional terms / academically / in the NHS etc... all judgement aside (as it should be really) the LGBTQ community experiences high levels of risk and sexual violence and sexually transmitted infection. It's important to understand that simply from the perspective of managing/limiting that risk for people. I think most gay people are all too aware of that. The issue is when people start using these things to make assumptions or cast aspersions about the character of gay people in general which is unambiguously just homophobic.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

On here, in the public in general, or professionals? People on here (all of us it seems) have our reasons for the things we say/admit, in the public realm maybe it is or isn't a known and talked about thing I'm not sure, but I do know for a fact that it's a well understood thing in professional terms / academically / in the NHS etc... all judgement aside (as it should be really) the LGBTQ community experiences high levels of risk and sexual violence and sexually transmitted infection. It's important to understand that simply from the perspective of managing/limiting that risk for people. I think most gay people are all too aware of that. The issue is when people start using these things to make assumptions or cast aspersions about the character of gay people in general which is unambiguously just homophobic.

Parm being homophobic is his character trait now

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You need a calculator to half 1.8? Why? It's exactly the same as halving 18, but you move the decimal point.

And I guarantee no calculator had trouble with dividing 1.8 by 2 ... that is the problem you entered into your calculator, right?

1.8 divided by 2 is 0.9, but if .9 is then converted to a % (ie its further divided by 100) then it becomes 0.009.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

1.8 divided by 2 is 0.9, but if .9 is then converted to a % (ie its further divided by 100) then it becomes 0.009.

But it was already a percentage . You don't have to make a percentage of your percentage.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

But it was already a percentage . You don't have to make a percentage of your percentage.

i know

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Parm being homophobic is his character trait now

And what were you being when you falsely claimed straight males rule the roost when it comes to sexual assaults.?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And what were you being when you falsely claimed straight males rule the roost when it comes to sexual assaults.?

They do