[Beso]

@Slim the gang rapes and grooming of british white kids In the area of rotherham, probably the worst hit area for the riots, by members of the muslim community, has stopped any chance of a community being built where the 2 sides can show any sort of community spirit in the poorest of areas. Which are the ones being forced to integrate..

That's not racist to say, nor is it saying muslims cant show community spirit..I said there once was a community spirit in those areas, but now the 2 cant community spirit together...

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It proves you havnt set foot in the areas I specified.. saying you live in birmingham means **** all

Which is it though. Does it prove he hasn't set foot in those areas, or does it mean **** all? If the latter is true then it can't possibly prove anything either way.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Which is it though. Does it prove he hasn't set foot in those areas, or does it mean **** all? If the latter is true then it can't possibly prove anything either way.

It means he hasnt worn the shoes of the people hes expecting to have to just get on with it.

[Beso]

And you are just as bad TS..you get clever and cocky spouting about tomato faces and flag waving hump buckets...

If you yourself have ever ventured into a muslim families household you would soon notice their nations flags hanging in every room.

People are a lot more similar than you think.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

@Slim the gang rapes and grooming of british white kids In the area of rotherham, probably the worst hit area for the riots, by members of the muslim community, has stopped any chance of a community being built where the 2 sides can show any sort of community spirit in the poorest of areas. Which are the ones being forced to integrate..

That's not racist to say, nor is it saying muslims cant show community spirit..I said there once was a community spirit in those areas, but now the 2 cant community spirit together...

Stating that a community can't be built inclusive of any Muslim people whatsoever because of the actions (albeit, absolutely horrendous actions) of one group of Muslim people is... definitely racism. It really quite succinctly describes exactly what racism, and racial profiling, is.

The shocking mishandling of that situation by local councils and police (mostly not Muslims) is the main issue here also as I've said before -- disgustingly, unfortunately, tragically -- grooming and pimping gangs of every colour and creed exist in every large town and city in the UK. Gangs of white people groom and pimp teenage girls Parmy. You might not like to believe that "folks that look like us" can be as monstrous as "folks who look like them" but I'm afraid we don't live in a very nice world and it's full of dangerous, disgusting blokes in every shade.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

@Slim the gang rapes and grooming of british white kids In the area of rotherham, probably the worst hit area for the riots, by members of the muslim community, has stopped any chance of a community being built where the 2 sides can show any sort of community spirit in the poorest of areas. Which are the ones being forced to integrate..

That's not racist to say, nor is it saying muslims cant show community spirit..I said there once was a community spirit in those areas, but now the 2 cant community spirit together...

I agree. the grooming gangs are fcuking heinous, but they don't represent all Muslims. In the same way all white grooming gangs don't make you or I paedophile groomers. The biggest PDF ring in Birmingham was smashed wide open recently. All white people. Patriots of Birmingham didn't feel the need to "protect are wimin and kids" - which in itself is dripping with the same misogyny they're protesting against. Women are not property for any group of people. They do not belong to us, and are not our women.

If you think any religion, race, or location makes any group more susceptible to these issues, then you're sadly mistaken

[Beso]

Stating how people of the poor areas of rotherham who are living with it are feeling, is not racist..

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And you are just as bad TS..you get clever and cocky spouting about tomato faces and flag waving hump buckets...

If you yourself have ever ventured into a muslim families household you would soon notice their nations flags hanging in every room.

People are a lot more similar than you think.

Do you think the Galahads in Benidorm hang the St George in their living rooms, because anyone who's ever been to these areas of other countries populated by British immigrants, knows all too well the truth.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It means he hasnt worn the shoes of the people hes expecting to have to just get on with it.

He didn't elaborate on that so it doesn't prove anything or mean anything. I will agree that saying "I live in Birmingham" certainly isn't proof that he DOES have experience of that integration on its own as a statement... but it certainly doesnt prove that he doesn't, either.

Originally Posted by parmnion

And you are just as bad TS..you get clever and cocky spouting about tomato faces and flag waving hump buckets...

If you yourself have ever ventured into a muslim families household you would soon notice their nations flags hanging in every room.

People are a lot more similar than you think.

It's not about the flags it's about the reason for flying them and the symbolism Parmy. The flag of England and increasingly the Union Jack has become associated with a certain political statement. The Cross for decades, Union Jack is more recent (roughly since Brexit tbh). I said in another thread I actually think it's sad that that has happened - that association shouldn't be there - I don't think anything of people flying a Saltire, or a Stars & Stripes, or really the flags of most nations, and people SHOULD be able to do that without the unfortunate associations with bigotry.

It's no one's fault but the people who hijacked those flags for their political purposes though.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It means he hasnt worn the shoes of the people hes expecting to have to just get on with it.

I had a flat in Moseley, which is right next door to spark brook, and a 5 minute walk from the balti triangle, one of the main areas of Muslim population in Birmingham. Most of my street (church road, B13) was Muslim.

[Beso]

So labelling anyone who is proud enough to actually feel enough pride in england that they would hang a st Georges cross as right wing, just have to get on with it or take it down because it's been hijacked by the far right, and the racists?

Well surely if thats the case, the majority of law abiding muslims just have to get on with the hatred aimed at them cause some of them gang rape kids..



Anyway, what I will say is , if my words are racist then i apologise it is not my intent.

I will also say I've been in over 1000 muslim households, and as i have previously stated on TIBB, i would rather be in them, helping them than the household of an Englishman.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So labelling anyone who is proud enough to actually feel enough pride in england that they would hang a st Georges cross as right wing, just have to get on with it or take it down because it's been hijacked by the far right, and the racists?

Well surely if thats the case, the majority of law abiding muslims just have to get on with the hatred aimed at them cause some of them gang rape kids..



Anyway, what I will say is , if my words are racist then i apologise it is not my intent.

I will also say I've been in over 1000 muslim households, and as i have previously stated on TIBB, i would rather be in them, helping them than the household of an Englishman.

I didn't say it was racist to display a st george. You said all Muslims have flags of their own countries in their homes. So I was just pointing out, that English people who are immigrants (not ex pats) in other countries, also have flags of their own country.

Exactly the same thing, yet one is failure to integrate, the other is pride. Do you not see how that's racist? Even though you don't intend to be racist, inherent or subconcious racism can still exist.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So labelling anyone who is proud enough to actually feel enough pride in england that they would hang a st Georges cross as right wing, just have to get on with it or take it down because it's been hijacked by the far right, and the racists?

Depends why they're hanging it, doesn't it. Usually you can tell the difference, and we're allowed to say "you're full of ****" when people try the smirking plausible deniability angle. They can say they're not trying to send an "immigrants out" message but no one is compelled to believe that. There are usually other signs .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I had a flat in Moseley, which is right next door to spark brook, and a 5 minute walk from the balti triangle, one of the main areas of Muslim population in Birmingham. Most of my street (church road, B13) was Muslim.

I'm assuming they were already there and you chose to rent that flat, rather than you already being there and all of them moving next to you

[Beso]

I never said having a flag of their country of origin hanging in their houses was them failing to integrate..I was actually using that example to show the 2 sides have more similarities than people think they do.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm assuming they were already there and you chose to rent that flat, rather than you already being there and all of them moving next to you

Even worse, I bought a flat on that road, knowing that Muslims lived there already.

Either Muslims are the problem, or they aren't. The fact that they move somewhere should be neither here nor there, and is more text book racism. My white area is being ruined by the brown faces.

If you want to know why these areas are run down, it's because of decades of complete underfunding and neglect by successive governments, purposefully transferring wealth from the poor and working classes, up to the super wealthy and corporations. Again, absolutely nothing to do with Muslims.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I never said having a flag of their country of origin hanging in their houses was them failing to integrate..I was actually using that example to show the 2 sides have more similarities than people think they do.

Ok, that's fair. I misunderstood.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

@Slim the gang rapes and grooming of british white kids In the area of rotherham, probably the worst hit area for the riots, by members of the muslim community, has stopped any chance of a community being built where the 2 sides can show any sort of community spirit in the poorest of areas. Which are the ones being forced to integrate..

That's not racist to say, nor is it saying muslims cant show community spirit..I said there once was a community spirit in those areas, but now the 2 cant community spirit together...

The thing I dont understand about the grooming gangs with dozens of Asian men from the same community preying on white schoolgirls is…. why their own community/ people / families/ friends in general and the religion leaders let them carry on doing it for years ( often until they are caught and prosecuted) .


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[Beso]

I also never said that muslims moving to those areas ran it down, I had already stated they are the poorest areas.

I think we've ran our course now...sorry if I've offended anyone, I'm not the best at wording stuff.


Let's just say the minority on both sides has ****ed it all up for the majority who just want a peaceful life.

[arista]

[arista]

[Businesses are boarded up in North Finchley, North London,
today ahead of planned protests]

[arista]

[Shops in Bristol board up their windows today
]amid fears over planned demonstrations]

[arista]

[Quantum Boy]

TBH I think there is something psychologically different about choosing to fly your home country's flag on your wall (indoors) when you're an expat living in another country, and choosing to do so when you still live in that country. I can see myself having a Scotland flag on the wall if I moved to Australia. I wouldn't have one on my wall... here in Scotland.

I don't think it necessarily means anything but it would definitely make me question what message is being sent.

If I see a Union Jack on a Scottish house I immediately think it's a Unionist message. If I see a Saltire I assume it's a pro-indy statement. When I see a Union Jack in England... pre-2017 I'd have assumed just a Royalist type, post 2017 I unfortunately automatically go to Brexiteer.

Sometimes those assumptions will be wrong but human beings are pattern-seekers. It'll often be correct.

[Cherie]

At least the sentences are harsh so that should be a deterrent

I used to live in Walthamstow, not sure why in particular a march is going through there? Its been regenerated and is pretty upmarket now so its strange, surely they should be marching on Downing Street