[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Alf

The only Leader in the World right now who is standing up for We the people, is Donald Trump. And that's why he's been the biggest threat to the deep state from the minute he came down the escalator in 2015. That's why they tried to imprison him, that's why they tried to assassinate him.

The above is an excerpt from "Tales I Learned on the Internets" by Alfred Tibbington

£3.99 paperback in all good book stores, find it in the fiction section.

"An imagination like no other, 5 stars"
"Truly remarkable"
"I laughed until my sides ached"

[arista]

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

[arista]

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55 year old Chester Women,
sent to jail
for sending Fake Information online

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...thport-murders

[arista]

[arista]

Real Nice
the locals raised £60K
for the male nurse to buy a new car.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

The bingo goers are hard ass

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

I normally wouldn't take much pleasure in seeing custodial sentences issued.
However I'm glad with the sentences issued to these rioters.

For me 20 months is too lenient for this crime.

It's bonkers people are in prison for fraud or other non violent criminal wrongdoing for longer .
Bonkers.

[MTVN]

Bingo halls are the gateway drug for rioting it seems, just as well our Kate has packed it in

[Ammi]

…there was this one time, I was going to bingo and….

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I normally wouldn't take much pleasure in seeing custodial sentences issued.
However I'm glad with the sentences issued to these rioters.

For me 20 months is too lenient for this crime.

It's bonkers people are in prison for fraud or other non violent criminal wrongdoing for longer .
Bonkers.

Yes it really is.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

Pink nazis.

[Vanessa]

Was out in the Harlesden/Willesden Junction are last night and everything looked fine.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I normally wouldn't take much pleasure in seeing custodial sentences issued.
However I'm glad with the sentences issued to these rioters.

For me 20 months is too lenient for this crime.

It's bonkers people are in prison for fraud or other non violent criminal wrongdoing for longer .
Bonkers.

To be fair Joey I actually slightly disagree that 20 months in this case is too much unless he seriously hurt someone, especially if it was a first offense. I know there are often TiBB disagreements about this but in my mind 18 is still very much a kid and susceptible to being influenced and caught up in something like this, if it was a "first time" I think the shock of getting any prison time at all is enough.

I'd feel differently if it was a young person with a long juvenile record for violence / antisocial behaviour, and I also feel differently when it's full-grown men who have absolutely no excuse for throwing their beer bellies around town smashing the place up, but no I wouldn't see the life of every teenager caught up in the riots destroyed by long prison sentences. Ultimately we do need to be careful about disproportionate responses.

In terms of who should or shouldn't be in actual prison I tend to agree that there should be a higher threshold for non-violent crime resulting in actual prison time vs other more creative sentences. I'm very much of the opinion that actual prison sentences should be about protecting the public from someone who is a risk, rather than a punishment. It's also, for example, why I think that paedophiles who have actively harmed children, and murderers who have killed "in cold blood" should literally never be allowed back into society.

[Ammi]

…I’m not really sure what my thoughts are in the length of prison sentences…the riots are obviously an ongoing thing that are potentially impacting public safety …as well as destroying property, where the financial impact and cost will be vast …and because the riots are a ‘situation/crisis still in progress’…as opposed to a one time crime, for instance…?…the longer sentences are obviously implemented as deterrents…but that’s right here and now and it’s also a government who has said that prison time served will reduce…so a 20 month sentence in reality might become a 3 month served sentence for instance…we can’t really say yet, I guess…I do think that in situations and offences of rioting, that obviously helping to rebuild should be a part also, as opposed to long or longer prison served time…helping to put those livelihoods back together that someone has so contributed to their loss….

[Ammi]

…(..I think…)..in a ‘calmer situation’ in the country, the prison sentencing would be with more consideration and factoring many things of the offender’s life…that’s how it often appears to be…but in volatile and such potentially hostile emotions still ongoing…?…the sentencing is trying to deter the ongoing escalations so I can understand why, also…

…(…but I don’t think…)…the time served will be anything close to…

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

But Khan, isn't that part and parcel of living in a big city!?

[Livia]

Khan's a mess... He's probably thinking about how he can put a toll on rioters. £12 a day to march.

[Cherie]

Well Khan I guess you now know how it feels to be a Jew in London every Saturday since October 7th?

Also you have done nothing to stop knife crime, and countless families are mourning their dead but its all about you?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m not really sure what my thoughts are in the length of prison sentences…the riots are obviously an ongoing thing that are potentially impacting public safety …as well as destroying property, where the financial impact and cost will be vast …and because the riots are a ‘situation/crisis still in progress’…as opposed to a one time crime, for instance…?…the longer sentences are obviously implemented as deterrents…but that’s right here and now and it’s also a government who has said that prison time served will reduce…so a 20 month sentence in reality might become a 3 month served sentence for instance…we can’t really say yet, I guess…I do think that in situations and offences of rioting, that obviously helping to rebuild should be a part also, as opposed to long or longer prison served time…helping to put those livelihoods back together that someone has so contributed to their loss….

It certainly won't be 20 months he serves.
Although I would have normally agreed with SB on this one as to sentencing and wish I could have.

However for me some crimes should mean the sentence given.
These rioters chose to go AND stay on them, even when it got extremely violent.
Plus against the Police too.
With uncertain outcomes.
So for me these criminals warrant the stiffest possible sentences.
20 months for me, likely at least halved.
Won't be even a year in prison.

Then who knows with this release after 40% served would mean out in 8 months.
For the damage, the fear, the danger people felt they were in.
Assaulting and disrespecting the Police trying to maintain any law and order.

To be sent to prison but much more than likely be home by Easter next year in around 8 months.
Sorry, doesn't sound much of a punishment to me.

[arista]

Great Points Joey.