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Top Reporter Andy Bell,
on Ch5HDNews Live from Brighton
said all the unions are united
against PM Starmer on this.
10 million old are expected to lose the £300.
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Rachel Reeves claimed £3,700 of taxpayer cash towards her energy bills over five years before axing winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners, Telegraph analysis reveals.

The Chancellor and other Labour MPs spent more than £400,000 of taxpayer money heating their own homes over the past five years, with some claiming thousands a year

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5e3c2430&ei=13 more than a typical household spends.
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That's absolutely disgusting..

Get them out.
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Even the Unions are startled, just heard some Union boss on the radio saying alarm bells are ringing as Starmer said he would be a friend to pensioners just weeks before he was elected

I can only imagine what the budget will throw up...
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I'm actually quite impressed by the unions' reaction to this.
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I can't recall when I last agreed with near everything all the Conservative MPs said in parliament today.
It's shameful of the government as to this move
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Here are the heartless bastards who think everyone who has 11,400 year has plenty to live on

Labour MPs who voted with the Government on the winter fuel allowance
347 Labour MPs backed the Government’s plan to restrict the winter fuel allowance to people receiving pension credit..

Jack Abbott – Ipswich
Debbie Abrahams – Oldham East and Saddleworth
Dr Zubir Ahmed – Glasgow South West
Luke Akehurst – North Durham
Sadik Al-Hassan – North Somerset
Bayo Alaba – Southend East and Rochford
Dan Aldridge – Weston-super-Mare
Heidi Alexander – Swindon South
Douglas Alexander – Lothian East
Rushanara Ali – Bethnal Green and Stepney
Mike Amesbury – Runcorn and Helsby
Callum Anderson – Buckingham and Bletchley
Scott Arthur – Edinburgh South West
Jess Asato – Lowestoft
James Asser – West Ham and Beckton
Jas Athwal – Ilford South
Catherine Atkinson – Derby North
Lewis Atkinson – Sutherland Central
Calvin Bailey – Leyton and Wanstead
Olivia Bailey – Reading West and Mid Berkshire
David Baines – St Helens North
Alex Baker *– Aldershot
Richard Baker – Glenrothes and Mid Fife
Alex Ballinger – Halesowen
Antonia Bance – Tipton and Wednesbury
Lee Barron – Corby and East Northamptonshire
Alex Barros-Curtis – Cardiff West
Johanna Baxter – Paisley and Renfrewshire South
Danny Beales – Uxbridge and South Ruislip
Torsten Bell – Swansea West
Clive Betts – Sheffield South East
Polly Billington – East Thanet
Olivia Blake – Sheffield Hallam
Rachel Blake – Cities of London and Westminster
Chris Bloore – Redditch
Kevin Bonavia – Stevenage
Jade Botterill – Ossett and Denby Dale
Sureena Brackenridge – Wolverhampton North East
Jonathan Brash – Hartlepool
Chris Bryant – Rhondda and Ogmore
Maureen Burke – Glasgow North East
David Burton-Sampson – Southend West and Leigh
Liam Byrne – Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North
Ruth Cadbury – Brentford and Isleworth
Nesil Caliskan – Barking
Markus Campbell-Savours – Penrith and Solway
Irene Campbell – North Ayrshire and Arran
Juliet Campbell – Broxtowe
Sir Alan Campbell – Tynemouth
Dan Carden – Liverpool Walton
Sam Carling – North West Cambridgeshire
Al Carns – Birmingham Selly Oak
Sarah Champion – Rotherham
Bambos Charalambouse – Southgate and Wood Green
Luke Charters – York Outer
Feryal Clark – Enfield North
Ben Coleman – Chelsea and Fulham
Jacob Collier – Burton and Uttoxeter
Lizzi Collinge – Morecambe and Lunesdale
Tom Collins – Worcester
Liam Conlon – Beckenham and Penge
Sarah Coombes – West Bromwich
Andrew Cooper – Mid Cheshire
Yvette Cooper – Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley
Deirdre Costigan – Ealing Southall
Pam Cox – Colchester
Neil Coyle – Bermondsey and Old Southwark
Jen Craft – Thurrock
Mary Creagh – Coventry East
Stella Creasy – Walthamstow
Torcuil Crichton – Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Chris Curtis – Milton Keynes North
Janet Daby – Lewisham East
Sir Nicholas Dakin – Scunthorpe
Ashley Dalton – West Lancashire
Emily Darlington – Milton Keynes Central
Alex Davies-Jones – Pontypridd
Jonathan Davies – Mid Derbyshire
Paul Davies – Colne Valley
Shaun Davies – Telford
Josh Dean – Hertford and Stortford
Kate Dearden – Halifax
Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi – Slough
Jim Dickson – Dartford
Anna Dixon – Shipley
Samantha Dixon – Chester North and Neston
Anneliese Dodds – Oxford East
Helena Dollimore – Hastings and Rye
Peter Dowd – Bootle
Graeme Downie – Dunfermline and Dollar
Dame Angela Eagle – Wallasey
Lauren Edwards – Rochester and Strood
Damien Egan – Bristol North East
Maya Ellie – Ribble Valley
Chris Elmore – Bridgend
Kirith Entwistle – Bolton North East
Florence Eshalomi – Vauxhall and Camberwell Green
Bill Esterson – Sefton Central
Chris Evans – Caerphilly
Miatta Fahnbulleh – Peckham
Hamish Falconer – Lincoln
Linsey Farnsworth – Amber Valley
Josh Fenton-Glynn – Calder Valley
Mark Ferguson – Gateshead Central and Whickham
Patricia Ferguson – Glasgow West
Natalie Fleet – Bolsover
Emma Foody – Cramlington and Killingworth
Catherine Fookes – Monmouthshire
Paul Foster – South Ribble
Vicky Foxcroft – Lewisham North
Daniel Francis – Bexleyheath and Crayford
James Frith – Bury North
Barry Gardiner – Brent West
Dr Allison Gardner – Stoke-on-Trent South
Anna Gelderd – South East Cornwall
Alan Gemmell – Central Ayrshire
Gill German – Clwyd North
Tracy Gilbert – Edinburgh North and Leith
Preet Kaur Gill – Birmingham Edgbaston
Becky Gittins – Clwyd East
Mary Glindon – Newcastle upon Tyne East and Wallsend
Ben Goldsborough – South Norfolk
Jodie Gosling – Nuneaton
Georgia Gould – Queen’s Park and Maida Vale
John Grady – Glasgow East
Lilian Greenwood – Nottingham South
Dame Nia Griffith – Llanelli
Andrew Gwynne – Gorton and Denton
Amanda Hack – North West Leicestershire
Louise Haigh – Sheffield Heeley
Sarah Hall – Warrington South
Fabian Hamilton – Leeds North East
Emma Hardy – Kingston upon Hull West and Haltemprice
Carolyn Harris – Neath and Swansea East
Lloyd Hatton – South Dorset
Helen Hayes – Dulwich and West Norwood
Tom Hayes – Bournemouth East
Claire Hazelgrove – Filton and Bradley Stoke
John Healey – Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Sir Mark Hendrick – Preston
Dame Meg Hillier – Hackney South and Shoreditch
Chris Hinchliff – North East Hertfordshire
Jonathan Hinder – Pendle and Clitheroe
Rachel Hopkins – Luton South and South Bedfordshire
Claire Hughes – Bangor Aberconwy
Alison Hume – Scarborough and Whitby
Dr Rupa Huq – Ealing Central and Acton
Patrick Hurley – Southport
Natasha Irons – Croydon East
Sally Jameson – Doncaster Central
Dan Jarvis – Barnsley North
Terry Jermy – South West Norfolk
Adam Jogee – Newcastle-under-Lyme
Darren Jones – Bristol North West
Gerald Jones – Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare
Lillian Jones – Kilmarnock and Loudoun
Louise Jones – North East Derbyshire
Ruth Jones – Newport West and Islwyn
Sarah Jones – Croydon West
Gurinder Singh Josan – Smethwick
Sojan Joseph – Ashford
Warinder Juss – Wolverhampton West
Chris Kane – Stirling and Strathallan
Mike Kane – Wythenshawe and Sale East
Satvir Kaur – Southampton Test
Liz Kendall – Leicester West
Afzal Khan – Manchester Rusholme
Stephen Kinnock – Aberfan Maesteg
Jayne Kirkham – Truro and Falmouth
Gen Kitchen – Wellingborough and Rushden
Sonia Kumar – Dudley
Uma Kumaran – Stratford and Bow
Peter Kyle – Hove and Portslade
Laura Kyrke-Smith – Aylesbury
Peter Lamb – Crawley
David Lammy – Tottenham
Noah Law – St Austell and Newquay
Kim Leadbeater – Spen Valley
Brian Leishman – Alloa and Grangemouth
Andrew Lewin – Welwyn Hatfield
Simon Lightwood – Wakefield and Rothwell
Josh McAlister – Whitehaven and Workington
Alice Macdonald – Norwich North
Andy MacNae – Rossendale and Darwen
Justin Madders – Ellesmere Port and Bromborough
Shabana Mahmood – Birmingham Ladywood
Seema Malhotra – Feltham and Heston
Keir Mather – Selby
Alex Mayer – Dunstable and Leighton Buzzard
Douglas McAllister – West Dunbartonshire
Kerry McCarthy – Bristol East
Martin McCluskey – Inverclyde and Renfrewshire West
Dame Siobhain McDonagh – Mitcham and Morden
Chris McDonald – Stockton North
Blair McDougall – East Renfrewshire
Lola McEvoy – Darlington
Pat McFadden – Wolverhampton South East
Alison McGovern – Birkenhead
Alex McIntyre – Gloucester
Gordon McKee – Glasgow South
Kevin McKenna – Sittingbourne and Sheppey
Catherine McKinnell – Newcastle upon Tyne North
Jim McMahon – Oldham West, Chadderton and Royton
Frank McNally, Coatbridge and Bellshill
Kirsty McNeill – Midlothian
Anneliese Midgley – Knowsley
Ed Miliband – Doncaster North
Julie Minns – Carlisle
Navendu Mishra – Stockport
Abtisam Mohamed – Sheffield Central
Perran Moon – Camborne and Redruth
Jessica Morden – Newport East
Stephen Morgan – Portsmouth South
Joe Morris – Hexham
Margaret Mullane – Dagenham and Rainham
Luke Murphy – Basingstoke
Chris Murray – Edinburgh East and Musselburgh
Ian Murray – Edinburgh South
James Murray – Ealing North
Katrina Murray – Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch
Luke Myer – Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland
James Naish – Rushcliffe
Connor Naismith – Crewe and Nantwich
Lisa Nandy – Wigan
Kanishka Narayan – vale of Glamorgan
Pamela Nash – Josh Newbury – Cannock Chase
Samantha Niblett – South Derbyshire
Charlotte Nichols – Warrington North
Alex Norris – Nottingham North and Kimberley
Dan Norris – North East Somerset and Hanham
Melanie Onn – Great Grimsby and Cleethorpes
Chi Onwurah – Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West
Dr Simon Opher – Stroud
Abena Oppong-Asare – Erith and Thamesmead
Tristan Osborne – Chatham and Aylesford
Taiwo Owatemi – Coventry North West
Sarah Owen – Luton North
Darren Paffey – Southampton Itchen
Andrew Pakes – Peterborough
Matthew Patrick – Wirral West
Michael Payne – Gedling
Stephanie Peacock – Barnsley South
Jon Pearce – High Peak
Matthew Pennycook – Greenwich and Woolwich
Toby Perkins – Chesterfield
Jess Phillips – Birmingham Yardley
Bridget Phillipson – Houghton and Sunderland South
David Pinto-Duschinsky – Hendon
Lee Pitcher – Doncaster East and the Isle of Axholme
Jo Platt – Leigh and Atherton
Luke Pollard – Plymouth Sutton and Devonport
Joe Powell – Kensington and Bayswater
Lucy Powell – Manchester Central
Gregor Poynton – Livingston
Peter Prinsley – Bury St Edmunds and Stowmarket
Richard Quigley – Isle of Wight West
Yasmin Qureshi – Bolton South and Walkden
Steve Race – Exeter
Connor Rand – Altrincham and Sale West
Andrew Ranger – Wrexham
Angela Rayner – Ashton-under-Lyne
Mike Reader – Northampton South
Steve Reed – Streatham and Croydon North
Ellie Reeves – Lewisham West and East Dulwich
Rachel Reeves – Leeds West and Pudsey
Joani Reid – East Kilbride and Strathaven
Emma Reynolds – Wycombe
Jonathan Reynolds – Stalybridge and Hyde
Martin Rhodes – Glasgow North
Jake Richards – Rother Valley
Lucy Rigby – Northampton North
Dave Robertson – Lichfield
Tom Roca – Macclesfield
Matt Rodda – Reading Central
Sam Rushworth – Bishop Auckland
Sarah Russell – Congleton
Tom Rutland – East Worthing and Shoreham
Olive Ryan – Burnley
Sarah Sackman – Finchley and Golders Green
Dr Jeevun Sandher – Loughborough
Michelle Scrogham – Barrow and Furness
Mark Sewards – Leeds South West and Morley
Baggy Shanker – Derby South
Michael Shanks – Rutherglen
Tulip Siddiq – Hampstead and Highgate
Josh Simons – Makerfield
Andy Slaughter – Hammersmith and Chiswick
John Slinger – Rugby
David Smith – North Northumberland
Jeff Smith – Manchester Withington
Nick Smith – Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney
Karin Smyth – Bristol South
Gareth Snell – Stoke-on-Trent Central
Alex Sobel – Leeds Central and Headingley
Sir Keir Starmer – Holborn and St Pancras
Jo Stevens – Cardiff East
Elaine Stewart – Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
Will Stone – Swindon North
Alistair Strathern – Hitchin
Wes Streeting – Ilford North
Alan Strickland – Newton Aycliffe and Spennymoore
Graham Stringer – Blackley and Middleton South
Dr Lauren Sullivan – Gravesham
Kirsteen Sullivan – Bathgate and Linlithgow
Peter Swallow – Bracknell
Markl Tami – Alyn and Deeside
Mike Tapp – Dover and Deal
Alison Taylor – Paisley and Renfrewshire North
David Taylor – Hemel Hempstead
Rachel Taylor – North Warwickshire and Bedworth
Fred Thomas – Plymouth Moor View
Gareth Thomas – Harrow West
Adam Thompson – Erewash
Emily Thornberry – Islington South and Finsbury
Marie Tidball – Penistone and Stockbridge
Sir Stephen Timms – East Ham
Jessica Toale – Bournemouth West
Dan Tomlinson – Chipping Barnet
Henry Tufnell – Mid and South Pembrokeshire
Anna Turley – Redcar
Matt Turmaine – Watford
Karl Turner – Kingston upon Hull East
Laurence Turner – Birmingham Northfield
Derek Twigg – Widnes and Halewood
Liz Twist – Blaydon and Consett
Harpreet Uppal – Huddersfield
Tony Vaughan – Folkestone and Hythe
Valerie Vaz – Walsall and Bloxwich
Chris Vince – Harlow
Imogen Walker – Hamilton and Clyde Valley
Chris Ward – Brighton Kemptown and Peacehaven
Melanie Ward – Cowdenbeath and Kirkcaldy
Paul Waugh – Rochdale
Michelle Welsh – Sherwood Forest
Catherine West – Hornsey and Friern Barnet
Andrew Western – Stretford and Urmston
Matt Western – Warwick and Leamington
Michael Wheeler – Worsley and Eccles
John Whitby – Derbyshire Dales
Jo White – Bassetlaw
Katie White – Leeds North West
David Williams – Stoke-on-Trent North
Steve Witherden – Montgomeryshire and Glyndŵr
Sean Woodcock – Banbury
Rosie Wrighting – Kettering
Yuan Yang – Earley and Woodley
Steve Yemm – Mansfield


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i counted at least 23 scottish mp's in that list where the temperature drops like a stone in winter. Disgusting
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I'm stunned.

I really hoped for this to be paused until next year until as many as all who should have pension credit were then on it.
However hoping too for it to be widened as to it's starting point.

It's really not a good look at all.
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I'm against this.
I expect a lot of moaning from Labour members against this.

I recall the Cons saying this possibly should be means tested but it would cost a significant sum to process that.

I get that it's ridiculous that millionaires and millionaires plus.
Also large company directors retiring on massive pay offs and pensions, that they get this winter fuel payments too.

However it cannot just be left to claiming pension credit.
Plus as has been said, masses of pensioners aren't getting pension credit.
Although entitled to it.
Until Reeves knew ( which she does not), that ALL those entitled to pension credit ARE getting it.
Then she shouldn't be doing this.

Plus the cut off needs to be a lot higher.
If she needs to find 22 billion REALLY.
Then this is pointless, it will only yield 1.4 billion.

Shocking start to her being Chancellor, smells of cowardice and unfairness all through.
She has to be made to re -think this one.

I am myself really disappointed with her on this.
This is on a par with the coalition government's persecution of the sick and disabled.
Did anyone warn you about what a Starmer government would do? Asking for a friend.

Too many woke, social justice luvvies, in this thread.
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They're just a concerned government, upset with what has been happening in communities.
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An older couple who have just recovered
from Cancer,
told a Lib Dem MP
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they plan to go on warm buses through the days
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Bloody shameful.
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All the pensioners should turn the heating up full blast this winter and send the energy bills to Reeves and Starmer!
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Absolutely disgusting.

cannot believe there couldn't have been something they could have taken from RICH people.

Instead punish the poor and old.
Rich man here
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……..Reeves and Starmer.
Aka Thieves and Harmer.
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What is even more startling is the winter fuel reduction will only affect England and Wales so they were effectively voting to freeze pensioners in other parts of the UK, not their own.....Labour
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Keir Starmer has declared more free tickets and gifts than other major party leaders in recent times, with his total now topping £100,000 after recent support for his lifestyle from Labour donor Waheed Alli.

The prime minister has accepted almost 40 sets of free tickets during his time as Labour leader, mostly to football matches but also £4,000 of hospitality at a Taylor Swift concert and £698 of Coldplay tickets in Manchester.

He was criticised this week for the scale of gifts given to him by Lord Alli, who paid for work clothing worth £12,000, accommodation valued at more than £20,000 and glasses valued at £2,485 – especially since the donor was temporarily given a pass to No 10 after the election.
Angela Eagle, a minister, struggled to defend the prime minister’s decision to accept so many freebies when pressed on Times Radio on Tuesday. Asked why he shouldn’t buy his own glasses, given his salary, Eagle said: “I’m afraid I’m not responsible for decisions the prime minister makes.”

She added: “The prime minister has had his say on that … next time you interview him, you could ask him yourself. I don’t have an opinion.”

Starmer’s acceptance of freebies raised eyebrows after the FT reported during the election he had taken £76,000 worth of hospitality and gifts. Since then, he has declared another £4,000 in Taylor Swift tickets and £20,000 of accommodation from Alli.

This was mostly provided during the election campaign but also continued one week after he had become prime minister until 13 July.

The Labour party declined to answer when pressed on whether Alli had funded Starmer’s hotel accommodation during the election or loaned one of his own properties as a base.

Starmer has previously insisted his acceptance of hospitality is related to his security requirements of not being able to go into the stands, saying: “If I don’t accept a gift of hospitality, I can’t go to a game. You could say: ‘Well, bad luck.’ That’s why gifts have to be registered. But, you know, never going to an Arsenal game again because I can’t accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far.”

Other previous major party leaders have not declared so many free tickets and hospitality.

During his time as opposition party leader, David Cameron declared one set of Rugby World Cup tickets, and being hosted at the Conservative party’s Black and White ball, along with various gifts of hampers and other treats. He also registered £4,475 of discounted personal training sessions.


Maybe he should have donated all the freebies to the black hole ?


I think Starmer and his grasping Mrs are going to be more unpopular than Thatcher by the time they leave Downing Street at this rate
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Still, Mrs Starmer looks nice in all her free designer dresses, so bugger the pensioners and their problems...
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£4,000 of hospitality at a Taylor Swift concert and £698 of Coldplay tickets



Mid life crisis......
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