[ChristmasNeeve]

@bots @Ammi Just finished listening to a podcast on this case from the late 80's/early 90's, hadn't heard of it before but I think it was quite a big story at the time. It's an interesting one, this show about it is coming to Netflix on the 19th of this month

Youtube video

[FaLaLaLand]

Looking forward to this, the Jeffrey Dahmer series last time was fantastic albeit harrowing.

I thought given the end of that series that this would be about John Wayne Gacy since he featured briefly in it so was surprised they’ve gone down the route of The Menendez Brothers.

If what they say (and others) is to be believed it’s not the brothers who were technically the “monsters” either so I’m intrigued to see how this pans out and how the brothers are portrayed.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

Looking forward to this, the Jeffrey Dahmer series last time was fantastic albeit harrowing.

I thought given the end of that series that this would be about John Wayne Gacy since he featured briefly in it so was surprised they’ve gone down the route of The Menendez Brothers.

If what they say (and others) is to be believed it’s not the brothers who were technically the “monsters” either so I’m intrigued to see how this pans out and how the brothers are portrayed.

Yeah, it's a complicated story/family dynamic to say the least...

[ChristmasNeeve]

Also, maybe why they've went with this story next is (don't click if you don't know anything about the story and don't want to know)

Spoiler:

There's some new evidence that supports the brothers claim of sexual abuse that they're hoping could get their sentence reduced/free them which I hope happens

[Pigeon Lady]

…this always comes up on my homepage when I click on a Netflix…(…it’s annoying because I tried to click on it the first time and Netflix now do this ‘coming soon’ teaser thing, when it used to be just things new and showing….anyway, I have my eye on it ready for its launch…I’m not sure whether I know any of the story or not and I don’t want to Google and see any information…I just want to go into it blind…

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…this always comes up on my homepage when I click on a Netflix…(…it’s annoying because I tried to click on it the first time and Netflix now do this ‘coming soon’ teaser thing, when it used to be just things new and showing….anyway, I have my eye on it ready for its launch…I’m not sure whether I know any of the story or not and I don’t want to Google and see any information…I just want to go into it blind…

Yeah, if I were you I'd go in blind, I guess just bear in mind it's a dramatisation rather than documentary. I hope they stay as truthful to the real story as they can though (I'm sure they will)

[bots]

that's today, i will look out for it!

[FaLaLaLand]

It’s been announced that the next series will be all about Ed Gein with Charlie Hunnam playing him.

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/mon...in-1236147000/

Gein, who also hailed from Wisconsin like Dahmer, became infamous in the 1950s when authorities discovered that he not only had killed multiple people, but had dug up graves from a cemetery near his home and fashioned all manner of household items and clothing from human remains. Gein’s case served as an inspiration for several major pop culture characters later on, including Norman Bates in “Psycho” and Buffalo Bill in “Silence of the Lambs.”

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by bots

that's today, i will look out for it!

I'll probably wait till tomorrow night to start it, looking forward to seeing what they do with it though after listening to the true facts of the case, i hope they don't mess around with it too much (they really shouldn't have to either because the truth is as strange in this case imo)

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

It’s been announced that the next series will be all about Ed Gein with Charlie Hunnam playing him.

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/mon...in-1236147000/

Oh I like Charlie Hunnam, that story sounds gruesome

[Pigeon Lady]

…it’s had some criticism…or I should say that Netflix has had criticism for ‘glamourising serial killers’…I didn’t read the article yet as I didn’t get a chance, I just read the headline a few days ago…let me see if I can find it…

[Pigeon Lady]

Sons of Anarchy star Charlie Hunnam has been cast as the notorious serial killer Ed Gein in season three of the Netflix show Monster by Ryan Murphy and not everyone is happy about the choice.

The true crime anthology series is set to return to Netflix on 19 September with the focus being on the Menendez brothers, Lyle and Erik, who were convicted of the murder of their parents in 1996.

Season one of the hit show saw Mare of Easttown and X-Men star Evan Peters play Jeffrey Dahmer, the man also known as the ‘Milwaukee Cannibal’ or the ‘Milwaukee Monster’, who committed the murder and dismemberment of 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991.

Even before season two has landed on Netflix, the show has announced that season three will concentrate on Ed Gein, a serial killer who has inspired numerous fictional killers in pop culture including Leatherface in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Norman Bates in Psycho and Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs.

44-year-old Hunnam will play Gein, who in 1957 was revealed to have murdered two women and robbed multiple graves, using the stolen body parts to decorate his home and even create furniture and clothing.

This won’t be the first time that Gein’s story has been recreated. A 2000 film named In the Light of the Moon, but also known as Ed Gein, starring Steve Railsback was largely panned by critics.

Reaction to a new depiction of Gein’s story has already faced some pushback on social media, with many feeling that Hunnam isn’t the right person to play the role.

One person wrote: “Unpopular opinion: we need to stop romanticising serial killers. I love Charlie Hunnam and am willing to see this portrayal, but Ed Gein is not a person I’d ever want to meet in real life.”

A second added: “Ed Gein is evil. These killers are evil. These Ryan Murphy shows are making them into sex symbols.”

A third said: “Ed Gein was one of the worst serial killers to ever live, he inspired Psycho and Leatherface and he did not look like Charlie Hunnam. He should not be hot.”

The Monster series, despite becoming a sensation has not been without controversy. After the first season became a hit it was soon condemned by many viewers who felt it was exploitative.

Families of Jeffrey Dahmer’s victims also spoke out, saying the series was re-traumatising. A Milwaukee attorney, who previously represented a number of the families, later called on Murphy to share the profits with his former clients.

“The only meaningful Dahmer victim family action on Murphy’s part would be a monetary consideration from the Netflix profits for their exploitation and continuing trauma,” attorney Thomas M Jacobson said at the time.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/netflix-to...120501551.html

[Pigeon Lady]

…I watched one and a bit episodes, it was pretty good…I’m not sure that I was familiar with the story of the brothers at all so that makes it more intriguing…

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I watched one and a bit episodes, it was pretty good…I’m not sure that I was familiar with the story of the brothers at all so that makes it more intriguing…

I'm going to start it tonight

[ChristmasNeeve]

I'm doing my best to avoid online reaction to this but I'm getting the impression a lot of people aren't happy with how the show is going Vs fact or popular opinions on the case

[Pigeon Lady]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm doing my best to avoid online reaction to this but I'm getting the impression a lot of people aren't happy with how the show is going Vs fact or popular opinions on the case

…oh, other than that first article that I posted which was more a Netflix in general criticism of glamourising serial killers, I haven’t read anything else specific to the series…I guess because it only began airing yesterday and I haven’t tapped into much newsfeed today yet…I think I’ll try to avoid anything as well because I want to view it without any prejudice or bias and after watching the first bit, I realise that I wasn’t familiar with the story…that’s the way that I like to go into things…

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…oh, other than that first article that I posted which was more a Netflix in general criticism of glamourising serial killers, I haven’t read anything else specific to the series…I guess because it only began airing yesterday and I haven’t tapped into much newsfeed today yet…I think I’ll try to avoid anything as well because I want to view it without any prejudice or bias and after watching the first bit, I realise that I wasn’t familiar with the story…that’s the way that I like to go into things…

Like I said I haven't even started it yet myself but I might be advising you to watch a documentary or read up about it afterwards if it's not being very honest!

[Pigeon Lady]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Like I said I haven't even started it yet myself but I might be advising you to watch a documentary or read up about it afterwards if it's not being very honest!

…yeah, that’s totally cool, advise away…whenever I watch a dramatised true life story, I generally try to find out as much factual stuff as I can about it afterwards just to get as many of the aspects as I can…

[Pigeon Lady]

…I’m at the stage when I’m finding it difficult to put it down now so I’m racing/binging through…its a fascinating story…I don’t know how accurate it is because I wasn’t aware of the brothers or their parents etc…the only thing that I’ve glanced at and skimmed through is Wiki and it seems to be quite accurate…

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m at the stage when I’m finding it difficult to put it down now so I’m racing/binging through…its a fascinating story…I don’t know how accurate it is because I wasn’t aware of the brothers or their parents etc…the only thing that I’ve glanced at and skimmed through is Wiki and it seems to be quite accurate…

I watched the first 5 episodes, tbh I think it's mostly accurate. There's a few things that aren't but the main important things are. Ep 5 was really powerful and compelling I thought and that was all very accurate

[Pigeon Lady]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I watched the first 5 episodes, tbh I think it's mostly accurate. There's a few things that aren't but the main important things are. Ep 5 was really powerful and compelling I thought and that was all very accurate

…was that the hurt man one…?…yeah, that was so powerful…I’ve been pretty captivated and spellbound by their story…

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…was that the hurt man one…?…yeah, that was so powerful…I’ve been pretty captivated and spellbound by their story…

Yes, that one

[ChristmasNeeve]

Just one thing or things really so far that they've changed that kind of bothers me because it's unnecessary, the story already has a lot of material to work with and I found it a bit gross and offensive is

Spoiler:

the way they portray the brothers as being very touchy feely, kissing eachother etc none of that is true. Yes it's true that Lyle briefly abused Erik when they were very young but not the other things when they were older. In fact apparently they found it difficult to be physically affectionate with eachother, even hugs were awkward. Also, this thing about Erik in prison and the thing he had with other inmate is not true. They weren't put in general population at all in fact while waiting on their trial because they were so high profile so again the shower scene etc just seemed very gratuitous, especially when it's childhood sexual abuse victims they're portraying

[Pigeon Lady]

Spoiler:

…I guess the thing with the other inmate was a fictionalisation just to touch on Erik’s sexuality because that was apparently something that prosecutors honed in on…that it wasn’t abuse because Erik was homosexual …I mean, can you imagine…but that thought process was sadly of it’s time…I mean, I’m only thinking that’s why they fictionalised that storyline but I don’t know…this is what I read in an article…


Erik Menendez’s sexuality largely played out in the first trial. Prosecutor Lester Kuriyama repeatedly tried to bring up the issue of Erik’s sexuality, but Judge Weissberg refused to allow it. During his closing argument, he argued to the jury that Jose had not forced Erik into homosexual acts, but was in fact furious that Erik was gay.

However, Erik told Barabra Walters in 1996 that he is not gay. “The prosecutor brought that up because I was sexually molested. He felt in his own thinking that I was sodomized by my father, I must have enjoyed it,” he told the reporter. “A lot of gay people feel connected to me.”



…Erik did apparently say that ‘gay people felt connected to him…’…so was that part just fictionalised to show that …as in the conversation he did say that he wasn’t attracted to men or something similar but the homosexual inmate was very attracted and drawn to him…

[Pigeon Lady]

…I will read more of their story as I get the chance…

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

…I guess the thing with the other inmate was a fictionalisation just to touch on Erik’s sexuality because that was apparently something that prosecutors honed in on…that it wasn’t abuse because Erik was homosexual …I mean, can you imagine…but that thought process was sadly of it’s time…I mean, I’m only thinking that’s why they fictionalised that storyline but I don’t know…this is what I read in an article…





Erik Menendez’s sexuality largely played out in the first trial. Prosecutor Lester Kuriyama repeatedly tried to bring up the issue of Erik’s sexuality, but Judge Weissberg refused to allow it. During his closing argument, he argued to the jury that Jose had not forced Erik into homosexual acts, but was in fact furious that Erik was gay.



However, Erik told Barabra Walters in 1996 that he is not gay. “The prosecutor brought that up because I was sexually molested. He felt in his own thinking that I was sodomized by my father, I must have enjoyed it,” he told the reporter. “A lot of gay people feel connected to me.”







…Erik did apparently say that ‘gay people felt connected to him…’…so was that part just fictionalised to show that …as in the conversation he did say that he wasn’t attracted to men or something similar but the homosexual inmate was very attracted and drawn to him…

Spoiler:

he said on the show he had a relationship with a boy at school which isn't true and that whole thing with the inmate isn't true. I think it's gross that the TV show makers ran with a pretty disgusting narrative that the prosecuters made up to try and make it seem like Erik enjoyed his father raping him