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Originally Posted by Abra

But it's not a mystery that has been edited out of the show in terms of why Ali doesn't like Khaled, she told us (in detail) and it amounted to very little imo. It was all based on her feelings towards him, that she thinks he is fake etc but doesn't really have any actual evidence to back that up. She didn't like a couple of comments he made at the eviction, and she didn't like that he yawned. Seems like a double standard to me, there is absolutely no way that if Lily yawned (or said anything) at the eviction she would get the same character assassination from Ali based on it. He hasn't actually done anything, Ali just gets a vibe from him. Of course she is entitled to that, but I think how vicious she has been about him and how much she has tried to turn others against him in the house is a bit much for so little. Last night she just seemed pretty cruel to him, and I think she was just angry that he had won HoH and would be immune from nominations.

Agree with all this. Well said.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Abra

But it's not a mystery that has been edited out of the show in terms of why Ali doesn't like Khaled, she told us (in detail) and it amounted to very little imo. It was all based on her feelings towards him, that she thinks he is fake etc but doesn't really have any actual evidence to back that up. She didn't like a couple of comments he made at the eviction, and she didn't like that he yawned. Seems like a double standard to me, there is absolutely no way that if Lily yawned (or said anything) at the eviction she would get the same character assassination from Ali based on it. He hasn't actually done anything, Ali just gets a vibe from him. Of course she is entitled to that, but I think how vicious she has been about him and how much she has tried to turn others against him in the house is a bit much for so little. Last night she just seemed pretty cruel to him, and I think she was just angry that he had won HoH and would be immune from nominations.

If Ali had an ounce of fairness to her ,she would have let the other housemates come to their own conclusions
about Khaled... rather than influencing them. It's highly manipulative.

And exactly we all know Lily would get a big fat pass , infact all her mates in the house would . Like I said previously....once someone decided they dislike an individual,they seem to go out of their way to be offended by everything that person does ie just existing .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Ah Joey, maybe I should have put neutral instead of indifferent. Does that fit how you feel?

oh don't worry Kate,
Often from my perspective polls on TIBB don't have the option I'd tick.
Not just this one.

I just felt the need to state my opinion that Ali hadn't been altered in any way.
'No change' would be the best description of my view really.

[Liam-]

Nope, she’s still an icon, the forced hate reeks of misogyny, a strong women giving her opinion on someone will never do it in a right enough way for some people

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just watched last nights episode, I don't particularly like Khaled but I thought it was really unnecessary for Ali to be so mean about and to him. The jury is out on her at the moment for me

…this for me also…she was very cold but then I have seen that she does have warmth, she’s showed it with others…she’s showed an aspect of her character that’s not great but it’s only one moment so that’s how I’ll take it…as a moment and see how it goes and what her future interactions are …

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Abra

But it's not a mystery that has been edited out of the show in terms of why Ali doesn't like Khaled, she told us (in detail) and it amounted to very little imo. It was all based on her feelings towards him, that she thinks he is fake etc but doesn't really have any actual evidence to back that up. She didn't like a couple of comments he made at the eviction, and she didn't like that he yawned. Seems like a double standard to me, there is absolutely no way that if Lily yawned (or said anything) at the eviction she would get the same character assassination from Ali based on it. He hasn't actually done anything, Ali just gets a vibe from him. Of course she is entitled to that, but I think how vicious she has been about him and how much she has tried to turn others against him in the house is a bit much for so little. Last night she just seemed pretty cruel to him, and I think she was just angry that he had won HoH and would be immune from nominations.

I honestly think any misjudgments made by Ali or the way she handles/handled things can be rooted in her AuDHD


This is not a case of excusing her conduct rather an explanation


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[Zizu]

Ali is the overwhelming fans favourite !!




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[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Ali is the overwhelming fans favourite !!




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Yeah but most of those voted were before last night.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Yeah but most of those voted were before last night.

The witch-hunt started days ago


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The witch-hunt started days ago


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Against Khaled yeah

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Against Khaled yeah

Maybe there are two witch-hunts

The TIBB one against Ali and the one you perceive


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[Adamw92]

My thoughts on her haven’t changed, I still really like her.

[GoldGlitter]

Indifferent. The house will be more boring without her.

[Maru]

Agree 100% with @Abra.

When Ali was announced on Launch day, I was lowkey excited about her background, because I really did want to see how that dynamic could play out. That would've gone well if she kept a boundary between her profession and how she chooses to treat others in the house. Sadly, she's kind of been enabling some perceptions I already had of therapy folk who use their credentials as a personal sledgehammer to pound on about their pet peeves and social issues. I don't find those people to be credible and so she's already disqualified herself for me. It would be entirely different if she held such strong views but managed to professionally distance that from the way she practices in the field.



Juicy Story Time regarding psych care in the US (for entertainment purposes only and generally off-topic from here...)... @Crimson Dynamo would be triggered... :

In the US, there must be a very relaxed standard when it comes to medical/psych, because social workers/counselor roles can be abused under the guise of "spiritual" or "religious" acceptance. We had a very close friend who was told by his "therapist" post-divorce that his ex-wife was an actual soul mate, that they were connected energetically and thus having issues severing or something. "In addition to therapy" he was informed on what crystals would help and received psychic assistance. All the therapy he received related back to "energy work" somehow. I'm very open-minded, but when it comes to dealing with the mind, I don't believe we should be playing games like that. He never straightened himself out emotionally, partially because he was enabled by such therapy, which is readily accessible under insurance, since it's very easy to find a person who tells that person what they already feel and validates it...

He ended up in the hospital years later, after ignoring all practical advice given to him, even by professionals, because he'd been led down so many rabbit holes and told essentially he was too frail to work it out because {insert therapy logic}, which just made him even more prone to therapy shop. He didn't know what was up and down. This used to be someone who worked very hard his whole life, who could be called up anytime you needed help and had lost hundreds of lbs of weight on his own(!). He was quite informed on health matters. I think that's where he ended up getting in trouble because his ex-wife, also a crystal enthusiast (she's also a licensed Acupuncturist), had fed him a load of nonsense and he made some personal decisions that are lifelong/irreversible based on her terms she had set during that marriage. She legitimately had left him in a seriously bad way emotionally between the manipulation and the "psychic connection" she kept referring back to when things got difficult in their marriage. That connection of course, ended up leading back to an ex. He liked that he found another fixer in her and well, she fixed him up alright.

So I share this just say a whole lot of woo has invaded our medical fields in the US. People here are also fixated on celebrities and because much of them are addicted to woo (It's not certain Oprah—Prince Harry's friend…— practices with the Orishas or not, but she's certainly close to that community of practitioners... if you know Santeria, it's under the same pantheon). A lot of modern Feminism gets mixed in with this stuff. Celebrity here still holds enough sway that it leads people to try a lot of alternative things that don't necessarily have any real science to them. So unfortunately we have to take everything we hear with a grain of salt now, even what simple physicians can say as to our care, because their "expertise" can come from odd places. I can't compare that to the UK, as I live in the US obviously, but it's a problem here depending on where you choose to seek your care. And obviously it has implications as well with the criminal justice field and how even lawyers can be chosen.

For myself, I had a PCP (Gen Prac I think in the UK?) that was available through my insurance which was not great insurance. He'd been treating me for a while, but then one day informs me that my pain that I'd had been experiencing at the time was tied to issues I held in my childhood. What did he suggest? He pulled out some book and said read these lines (basically affirmations) and had me wave a metal object back and forth in my hand while reading it out loud to myself for several minutes. It became obvious he wasn't interested in helping me find the cause, but I did eventually find help. That doctor lost his practice where he tried to push these services and he moved to a poverty-stricken areas where they take Medicaid (govt welfare). Thankfully I have much better health coverage now.

On the other hand, my physical therapists post-pregnancy, some who are into the woo but in a much more practical manner, have been amazing regarding connecting spiritual/emotional states with my overall health and recovery (not related to the above concern). So mindfulness indeed has a place and can be life-altering/personally affirming, but it's critical that it's a time and place thing... something a seasoned professional would be able to more easily recognize.

[GlitterUK]

I liked her at the start but didn't like the way she has been around Khaled. I no longer like her. I also don't like walkers (threats to walk).

[BBXX]

Both Khaled and Ali are my favourites, so this is a weird one for me. I don't agree with her opinion on him at all, but I don't think she's been particularly cruel like some are making out. I think if Ali was less educated and less eloquent, she'd be given an easier ride. Because she gets her point across (whether it's agreeable or not) in a concise, eloquent and calm manner, it's seen as more threatening, somehow.

So yes while Ali has dipped a little in my rankings, only very slightly. It's a shame this is one big cross against her name because I think she would be a worthy housemate to stay for a long time, yet I don't see her surviving Friday in any way.