[vesavius]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Embarrassing…and the gormless Dean..Martha and Lily think she is so knowledgable and falling for her tripe.

This illusion of intelligence she has, apparently based on staying calm and having a nice accent, is a real thing.

The more that I hear her speak the more I think she is actually quite dense.

She has a sub 6th formers understanding of everything she talks about. She even openly admits that she is not aware of the actual meaning of the performative protest tee shirts that she wears. It's indeed embarrassing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She is the typical dead-eyed goon on a pro-hamas rally holding a Socialist Worker Placard
wearing an "all illegal migrants welcome" tea shirt whilst having just paid £100 to renew her passport...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’ve not watched that.

Spoiler:

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by vesavius

This illusion of intelligence she has, apparently based on staying calm and having a nice accent, is a real thing.

The more that I hear her speak the more I think she is actually quite dense.

She has a sub 6th formers understanding of everything she talks about. She even openly admits that she is not aware of the actual meaning of the performative protest tee shirts that she wears. It's indeed embarrassing.

You have hit the nail on the head...she looks like she knows what she is talking about...she sounds like she is intelligent but she actually talks complete rubbish and calls out others for behaviour that she does all the time.

Dean, Martha and Lily are too thick to realise. She can only fool the foolish.

This is why she feels threatened by Khalid because he is quite astute and plays her at her own game. She was initially close to Nathan but she is wary of him because he is not afraid to call her out like he did last night.

[Tizmee]

I must’ve missed something…

How did Nathan pull Ali up last night?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Tizmee

I must’ve missed something…

How did Nathan pull Ali up last night?

It was not major...it was when they were discussing Martha's dress sense and Nathan wasn't agreeing with Ali's opinion and told her to **** off before shutting the smoking room door.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Embarrassing…and the gormless Dean..Martha and Lily think she is so knowledgable and falling for her tripe.

This has really annoyed me,why is she making it about the " straight blokes" against " the Queer people", the fact she's putting Nathan with her group is hilarious... considering he can't stand Martha,her fellow close friend.

Dean is her lapdog, he was just nodding along,he can't think for himself.

Ali is obsessed with the game, yet keeps calling others the ' fake ones' .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This has really annoyed me,why is she making it about the " straight blokes" against " the Queer people", the fact she's putting Nathan with her group is hilarious... considering he can't stand Martha,her fellow close friend.

Dean is her lapdog, he was just nodding along,he can't think for himself.

Ali is obsessed with the game, yet keeps calling others the ' fake ones' .

I mean it is a game...but she can't play her game without people like Dean, Martha and Lily who do not have a brain cell between them.
This is why she hates Khalid and Marcello...because they are actually smart and call her out.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I mean it is a game...but she can't play her game without people like Dean, Martha and Lily who do not have a brain cell between them.
This is why she hates Khalid and Marcello...because they are actually smart and call her out.

True it is a game .

I just don't like how she's using gender & sexuality as a main reason for this ' pyramid divide' , she started the issue with Khaled in the first place...and she's clashed with Marcello. None of the " straight lads" had a problem with her ... until she started her paranoia and psycho analysis BS .

It's interesting she's forgotten about Thomas, I guess she doesn't mind him too much .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

True it is a game .

I just don't like how she's using gender & sexuality as a main reason for this ' pyramid divide' , she started the issue with Khaled in the first place...and she's clashed with Marcello. None of the " straight lads" had a problem with her ... until she started her paranoia and psycho analysis BS .

It's interesting she's forgotten about Thomas, I guess she doesn't mind him too much .

I mean she also talks all the time as though Khalid started the whole fall out off...when she was the one who started everything by calling him fake...she is deluded and as I have always said she will twist everything to suit her agenda.
When she gets called out for it she walks off.
She is just playing the victim using the Gender and Sexuality issue...and of course Dean will see himself as a victim too...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I mean she also talks all the time as though Khalid started the whole fall out off...when she was the one who started everything by calling him fake...she is deluded and as I have always said she will twist everything to suit her agenda.
When she gets called out for it she walks off.
She is just playing the victim using the Gender and Sexuality issue...and of course Dean will see himself as a victim too...

Maybe she’s simply playing a game

Maybe she’s just a complex character

Either way she isn’t a BAD person


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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Maybe she’s simply playing a game

Maybe she’s just a complex character

Either way she isn’t a BAD person


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I doubt any of them are bad people,

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Maybe she’s simply playing a game

Maybe she’s just a complex character

Either way she isn’t a BAD person

Well, she isn't a 'bad person' if we accept only the two possibles that you present as being the only ones.

Which isn't the case.

[caprimint]

The way it was actually accurate tho

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I doubt any of them are bad people,

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The way it was actually accurate tho

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I doubt any of them are bad people,

Just you and me then …

Ali is hated in this forum


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The way it was actually accurate tho

The delulu is strong ...but ok .

[Beso]

I mean she said all that, then the camera pans into the living room and you have marcello sitting there with his mouth half open, kahled topless, bouncing something off his head, segun doing the worm on the floor, and Tom,just Tom.

Do you think!!

[joeysteele]

I have to admit I didn't see it as Ali was presenting her own observations.
However I'm not in the house 24 hours a day like she is.

She's obviously intelligent and maybe does try at times too much to analyse everything.

A lot of what she was describing got lost with me I'm afraid but then she sees it all being in the house all this time so far.

I can't believe at all that Dean really understood it all either.

However I've liked Ali from the start and still do.
I agree with Khaled that she is really interesting.
Plus positively or negatively Ali will be one of the most talked about housemates this series.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Beso

I mean she said all that, then the camera pans into the living room and you have marcello sitting there with his mouth half open, kahled, topless bouncing something of his head, segun doing the worm on the floor, and Tom, just Tom.

Do you think!!

She's forgotten Thomas is straight, or she just doesn't feel threatened by him.... she's going on about " The straight boys" but forgot to acknowledge him ad he's quiet I guess, but you would think she'd stick point out he's part of this ' hierarchy ' in her delulu mind anyway .

If we go down the Ali rabbit hole theory...then that
means Martha is on her team with Nathan,but again her
theory is a complete contradiction anyway, as Nathan detests Martha ...and he spends his days moaning about her ,as he chases BP around the house like a lanky beanpole.


She's right about Dean as he has no mind of his own ,and will nod to everything she says. Which is funny... considering Dean actually got on with the lads ,he was all " yeah bro " with them , now suddenly he thinks the boys are running the house and trying to get Ali out.

[GoldGlitter]

She was 100% correct. That why jocks get away with so much in American schools. While boys who are considered too feminine and gay languish at the bottom of the hierarchy. 3/4 who face homophobic bullying are straight Columbine shooters are perfect examples of this were bullied for years. Students accounted how they were harshly bullied, including being called homophobic insults and a and respond to that attack in their masculinity with violence. That's why there is so many mass shootings.

[Maru]

She is entitled to her woo but it's certainly not anything close to Psychology. It's the type of woo for people who like to pontificate in front of groups and it's those people who are most attracted to it, ie those who most love hearing themselves speak and being praised for it. It is meant to appeal to the most neurotic of people. So of course this appeals to Ali, because she attaches herself to those individuals as a rule, and thus creates the authority in which she apparently craves. She throws these things out there because she's looking to hook herself a susceptible audience.

Like any fundamentalist religion, the point of professing a caste system or placing people in self-confining boxes that involve some kind of scoring system, is funny enough to take advantage of those sore points since the system claims it will address. It can't really as it only just aims to to divide population(s) by design, which further perpetuates the narrative… it's not meant to solve problems, just find more of them... By suggesting to oneself for example that that person is already a slave to something, for example, that person has made themselves much easier to emotionally farm, thus easier to be gamed by that system. It's actually very easy to craft a victim narrative from basically anything... much harder to resolve any real issues and tackle deep rooted issues in ourselves objectively (much less identify things objectively externally and fix them), regardless of apparent narratives... anyone who says there's a system that gains every person who follows that thinking unique insight into the actual cogs and workings of all individuals on the planet is running a scam.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

She was 100% correct. That why jocks get away with so much in American schools. While boys who are considered too feminine and gay languish at the bottom of the hierarchy. 3/4 who face homophobic bullying are straight Columbine shooters are perfect examples of this were bullied for years. Students accounted how they were harshly bullied, including being called homophobic insults and a and respond to that attack in their masculinity with violence. That's why there is so many mass shootings.

Even if I did accept your takes here as true, or even close to true, how does that apply to the house at ALL?

She was talking specifically about the house, not US high schools.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Maru

She is entitled to her woo but it's certainly not anything close to Psychology. It's the type of woo for people who like to pontificate in front of groups and it's those people who are most attracted to it, ie those who most love hearing themselves speak and being praised for it. It is meant to appeal to the most neurotic of people. So of course this appeals to Ali, because she attaches herself to those individuals as a rule, and thus creates the authority in which she apparently craves. She throws these things out there because she's looking to hook herself a susceptible audience.

Like any fundamentalist religion, the point of professing a caste system or placing people in self-confining boxes that involve some kind of scoring system, is funny enough to take advantage of those sore points since the system claims it will address. It can't really as it only just aims to to divide population(s) by design, which further perpetuates the narrative… it's not meant to solve problems, just find more of them... By suggesting to oneself for example that that person is already a slave to something, for example, that person has made themselves much easier to emotionally farm, thus easier to be gamed by that system. It's actually very easy to craft a victim narrative from basically anything... much harder to resolve any real issues and tackle deep rooted issues in ourselves objectively (much less identify things objectively externally and fix them), regardless of apparent narratives... anyone who says there's a system that gains every person who follows that thinking unique insight into the actual cogs and workings of all individuals on the planet is running a scam.

Yes.