[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Maru

I had issues understanding her nearer to the beginning but it got better overtime. I think I have adjusted to her speech patterns, which I am definitely not familiar with. Obviously I am out of the country so I wouldn't even think working class... it sounds closer to an adopted dialect in the US mixed in with another accent (maybe regional) but I couldn't tell you. I am accustomed to differences in accents but hers seems to have more than 1.

Working class accents are regional for sure but the way Hanah speaks is def a working class London accent.

It's def a mix though, but that just reflects the cultural change of London via mass immigration and the like.

[Ammi]

…^^…yeah, because Hanah does have a specific way of talking and word usage and terminology etc…I would say that some would find it difficult to understand…and (…I think…)…as is human nature also…if we’re interested/invested in a housemate and find them generally likeable etc…?…we can tend to find any accent or way of speaking, something that we’ll follow more closely and it has more clarity, if that makes sense…?…but if it’s someone that we just haven’t taken to/or we find it very jarring in some way…?…then we won’t make that same effort…?..

…I mean I am a northerner/Geordie but with Jay McKray, I still didn’t understand everything he said and I didn’t alway clarify it all either…/…I was a bit switched off with him/didn’t connect with any of his personality if I recall…

[Ammi]

…I like accents though and I like different ways of speaking and expressions I’m not familiar with…it’s a huge learning thing for me…AJ gets quite a bit of criticism also, doesn’t she…for being ‘too regional’ and not easy to understand for some…I love her accent, it’s a part of who she is…as is Hanah’s…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…^^…yeah, because Hanah does have a specific way of talking and word usage and terminology etc…I would say that some would find it difficult to understand…and (…I think…)…as is human nature also…if we’re interested/invested in a housemate and find them generally likeable etc…?…we can tend to find any accent or way of speaking, something that we’ll follow more closely and it has more clarity, if that makes sense…?…but if it’s someone that we just haven’t taken to/or we find it very jarring in some way…?…then we won’t make that same effort…?..

…I mean I am a northerner/Geordie but with Jay McKray, I still didn’t understand everything he said and I didn’t alway clarify it all either…/…I was a bit switched off with him/didn’t connect with any of his personality if I recall…

Oh gosh Jay McKray, I actually didn't want to understand a great deal of what he said.
From it's content not his accent

I've found Hanah difficult to pick up as to what she's saying sometimes, especially when she's speaking faster.
Most times I find it easy to though.

However I'm afraid I don't really care for Hannah now, she's not one of my likes in there sadly.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh gosh Jay McKray, I actually didn't want to understand a great deal of what he said.
From it's content not his accent

I've found Hanah difficult to pick up as to what she's saying sometimes, especially when she's speaking faster.
Most times I find it easy to though.

However I'm afraid I don't really care for Hannah now, she's not one of my likes in there sadly.

…that’s the thing, Joey…with Jay it was kind of a blessing for me that I didn’t always understand him/praise the Lord, type thing…but with Hanah, I’ve found from the beginning that even if I haven’t always caught every word or understood an expression etc…?…I will take time to change that because she has quite a bit of wisdom and I like her take in stuff…and I think that’s quite a ‘human nature’ thing…there isn’t always any deeper meaning other than some people we connect to with more interest in their words and conversations etc …and others, not so much at all…

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Billy

Hope Hanah wins to be honest. I love how passionate she is for her friends and also that if she has problems with someone she will normally speak to them about it (not Ali, as BB didn’t really give her the chance) - for example the way she has supported Lily without patronising her.

Plus, she sees right through Ali and that is only a positive in my book

What do you mean BB didn't give her chance? They have had loads of time to talk in there but both have decided to just get on with it

I think your last point is interesting as I think the dislike for Ali is so strong that Hannah is automatically liked

Originally Posted by Kate!

I'll ask you politely to delete that before I report it Nicky. It's got nothing to do with her colour. Ffs.

Not allowed to dislike people these days without the race card being played. Insulting and ridiculous.

Yeah people can become a bit silly

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

She thinks women should be servile to men

surely no Tibb woman is ok with that??

She didn't say that exactly, but I take your point

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It is how the Islamic Religion is run if we're being honest about it.

And I don't mean that in a prejudiced way, just look at their societies all over the world, it's their way of life and Hanah is a product of that, rightly or wrongly.

This is my thoughts.

I find it degrading towards women. We have come so far on this front. It's not Westernised to have a different view. Equality is a big thing and this pisses all over. As a country we're suppose to be diverse though. She has her opinion I don't agree with it at all.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

What do you mean BB didn't give her chance? They have had loads of time to talk in there but both have decided to just get on with it

I think your last point is interesting as I think the dislike for Ali is so strong that Hannah is automatically liked






Yeah people can become a bit silly



She didn't say that exactly, but I take your point



This is my thoughts.

I find it degrading towards women. We have come so far on this front. It's not Westernised to have a different view. Equality is a big thing and this pisses all over. As a country we're suppose to be diverse though. She has her opinion I don't agree with it at all.

I meant that Hanah had the conversation with the boys about Ali but then just a few hours later BB gathered them together and aired it, so it wasn’t that she didn’t say to Ali how she felt but more BB aired it before she did. You only have to look at her interactions in the house to know that she would have at some point.

I do think she could have handled what happened after, better though!

[rusticgal]

When Hanah told us about her religion and having to be subservient to their husbands....I'm starting to think Hanah might struggle with this..

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Billy

I meant that Hanah had the conversation with the boys about Ali but then just a few hours later BB gathered them together and aired it, so it wasn’t that she didn’t say to Ali how she felt but more BB aired it before she did. You only have to look at her interactions in the house to know that she would have at some point.

I do think she could have handled what happened after, better though!

I don't know if she would have told her tbh. We will never know.

For me, if you need to raise your voice and start swearing then you've lost the argument/debate already.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

I don't know if she would have told her tbh. We will never know.

For me, if you need to raise your voice and start swearing then you've lost the argument/debate already.

For me, it’s about what is being actually said rather than how it’s delivered. There are a certain type of people who don’t seem to be allowed to make mistakes and aren’t given any grace at all (I don’t mean by you, but in general).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

As a country we're suppose to be diverse though. She has her opinion I don't agree with it at all.

says who?

We have come a long way as a country and importing millions of people who have not come a long way is both dangerous and backward

[Vicky.]

I like Hannah, she's 'fiesty' not aggressive imo

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

says who?

We have come a long way as a country and importing millions of people who have not come a long way is both dangerous and backward

There's not one set person.

But generally speaking.

It CAN be dangerous. Depends on the view expressed, but part of British values is the ability to accept others from diverse backgrounds.

[Vanessa]

I have to say, i don't like her tone and attitude at all. No idea why Martha was so keep to make up with her. I wouldn't have bothered. She's horrible.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Remember when Ali was in a situation she couldn't remove herself from and she was uncomfortable with the conversation and so said "Please guys can we not talk about this, our parents are watching and I don't want to lose my job" and she was called controlling for policing people's language, but Hanah says "If I say I don't wanna hear you speak, so why are you gonna carry on talking I. Don't. Want. To. Hear. You. Speak" even though she could turn around and walk away and barely anyone is bothered

Don't get me wrong, Martha was 100% in the wrong for what she did and said, but the way Hanah speaks to people even during a disagreement is appalling. She is incredibly arrogant when she's in a disagreement.

Both were controlling in those two separate situations.

Is this your way of agreeing that Ali was indeed being controlling when she said that?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I have to say, i don't like her tone and attitude at all. No idea why Martha was so keep to make up with her. I wouldn't have bothered. She's horrible.

Because Martha is the type to assassinate you behind your back to her crowd and then apologise to you in private.

It's her trying to play both sides.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Both were controlling in those two separate situations.

Is this your way of agreeing that Ali was indeed being controlling when she said that?

No, because she asked for a favour because she was uncomfortable and couldn’t leave. She specifically said when discussing it that she doesn’t care when it’s round the house as she can remove herself from the situation, providing she wasn’t trying to police conversation.

Hanah effectively saying “I’ve told you I don’t want to hear it so stop talking” despite having absolute free will to remove herself is very different IMO.

I have criticised Ali on numerous occasions - on her treatment of Khaled, on her not being very fun., etc…butI don’t believe Ali’s request for housemates not to talk about ejaculation around her when she couldn’t leave the conversation was unreasonable in the slightest.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Because Martha is the type to assassinate you behind your back to her crowd and then apologise to you in private.

It's her trying to play both sides.

This I agree with. I would say Martha is probably the most disingenuous housemates in there. “I don’t want a friendship with her. I don’t care” to “I have a lot of love for you” in the space of an hour. Whut.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Remember when Ali was in a situation she couldn't remove herself from and she was uncomfortable with the conversation and so said "Please guys can we not talk about this, our parents are watching and I don't want to lose my job" and she was called controlling for policing people's language, but Hanah says "If I say I don't wanna hear you speak, so why are you gonna carry on talking I. Don't. Want. To. Hear. You. Speak" even though she could turn around and walk away and barely anyone is bothered

Don't get me wrong, Martha was 100% in the wrong for what she did and said, but the way Hanah speaks to people even during a disagreement is appalling. She is incredibly arrogant when she's in a disagreement.

Ali didn’t like people talking about sex while Hanah was defending herself against being accused as a liar and also an attempt of turning the house against her.

It’s day and night IMO.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Billy

Ali didn’t like people talking about sex while Hanah was defending herself against being accused as a liar and also an attempt of turning the house against her.

It’s day and night IMO.

Hanah has every right to defend herself. Saying “I’ve told you I don’t want you to talk so stop talking” is controlling regardless of who is in the right. Martha was completely in the wrong, but Hanah didn’t handle herself well at all. If she didn’t want to hear Martha talk, she can walk away.

[Beso]

Hanah did absolutely nothing wrong.

She was forced to stand alone in front of everyone and made to defend herself for being nice. She ignored Martha's evil mouth to save Lilys upset.

But the moment Lily asked her if she heard anything she immediately told her yes, because she doesn't lie., and because it was Lily that wanted to know and not the bouncing jowel head.

[BBXX]

Yeah once again Martha was 100% in the wrong but at the same time Hanah handled herself terribly.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yeah once again Martha was 100% in the wrong but at the same time Hanah handled herself terribly.

But so did Martha. Martha lied, Martha berated and belittled but she did it with a nursery nurse smile on her face for the sake of painting Hanah to be the villain.

Hanah acted out of frustration at the above, she could have ‘walked away” like you said but why would you want to back down when someone is trying to turn people against you.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yeah once again Martha was 100% in the wrong but at the same time Hanah handled herself terribly.

tbf she didnt cover herself in glory but it is really frustrating to be explaining yourself and have two people sat on the soft screwing up their faces and pretending to misunderstand, when you are being painted as the bad girl when you were doing the right thing you can imagine that would be incredibly frustrating right? Emma was just as fiesty as Hanah but she is not being labelled agressive, you could see she was angry at the pair sat on the couch and she was not being accused of anything so I can only imagine how Hanah felt ....and as for Martha creeping around Hanah afterwards that was kind of mad no?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Billy

Ali didn’t like people talking about sex while Hanah was defending herself against being accused as a liar and also an attempt of turning the house against her.

It’s day and night IMO.

Completely off topic but were you King Billy back in the day or was that another user?