[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I can't get the link right now but I'll post a study I recently read in the morning.

Mock, trans people don't have higher sex drives, and it's not libido that leads to sexual violence. Trans people have their hormone levels checked before being prescribed hrt and are given a safe dosage to take so they'd have healthy hormone levels.

This study will definitely be interesting to read through, as I am genuinely curious about it, I do like to have my perception challenged.

I get what you're saying, and obviously you do make some good points tbf as Transwomen are obviously far less likely to be sex offenders versus men.

It's just my perception is that Transwomen are more likely to be predators versus biological women, but I am open to this study that you've read, as I do like to go with facts.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Trans women are statistically far more likely to be victims of violent and sexual crimes than being perpetrators of them, y’all are being brainwashed

That's probably true tbf (I haven't read the stats) but I'm just genuinely shocked that women are meant to be more likely to be sexual predators than any other group tbh.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's probably true tbf (I haven't read the stats) but I'm just genuinely shocked that women are meant to be more likely to be sexual predators than any other group tbh.

Come on dude you’re smarter than this

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Trans women are more likely to be predators that cis men? That’s just wrong I’m afraid

I’m glad we can agree that biological men are more likely to be predators

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Trans women are more likely to be predators that cis men? That’s just wrong I’m afraid

It's not if you understand what's meant by "more likely"; they are more likely by proportion, not by number. Obviously there are many times more cis men than trans women, so far more women are victimised by cis men, but that's got nothing to do with the proportionate stats.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, of course people are going to be more bothered when she wins a Gold medal at the Olympics compared to when she doesn't.

It's like Jannik Sinner in the Tennis after his doping scandal, if he had failed to win the US Open most people wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but because he actually won the tournament it did cause some controversy.

Back in 2020 these two boxers hadn't been excluded from the Women's World Championship having failed a gender test.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

It's not if you understand what's meant by "more likely"; they are more likely by proportion, not by number. Obviously there are many times more cis men than trans women, so far more women are victimised by cis men, but that's got nothing to do with the proportionate stats.

Im surprised you had to type that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Come on dude you’re smarter than this

I meant that I would be shocked if women are more likely to sexually assault someone compared to Transwomen.

I admittedly worded it poorly.

My opinion hasn't really changed on this unless I get evidence that contradicts my viewpoint.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I can't get the link right now but I'll post a study I recently read in the morning.

Genuinely interested in this so bumping

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Genuinely interested in this so bumping

Sorry I still haven't had a chance to go on my PC and find it in my browser history, I've been meaning to but I keep not getting round to it.

[Jessica.]

Basically it was a study about how under reported sexual abuse by females is and that it's around 3 times as prevalent than previously thought. There was another study too with something similar but yeah, I haven't had a chance to fetch them. I'm going to be out all day tomorrow too so not making any promises.

[Niamh.]

Oh dear. Another 10 years maybe

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

It's a cold hard FACT, wayyyy more likely than a trans person doing it

I'm dying to see this data and find out where it comes from.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

It's a cold hard FACT, wayyyy more likely than a trans person doing it

lol

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I can't get the link right now

... lol ...

Originally Posted by Liam-

Trans women are statistically far more likely to be victims of violent and sexual crimes than being perpetrators of them, y’all are being brainwashed

It's true that trans people are statistically more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of violence, however, that doesn't mean that it can't be true that they (trans women) are also more likely to be perpetrators of violence than general population average and certainly far more likely than cis women.

Also

You cannot (for these metrics) use "trans people" as a blanket grouping, you have to separate trans women and trans men for any accurate numbers, because trans women are more likely to commit a sexually motivated crime than women, while trans men are far LESS likely to commit such an offense (or any violent offence) than cis men.

Which as before, is telling in itself. Rates amount trans women (biological males) correlate with cis men. Rates among trans men (biological females) correlate with cis women.

Whether that's down to actual biological differences, or earlier life gendered socialization, is a totally separate debate and a less clear picture.

[Nicky91]

her father did official interviews during the Paris2024 games


also trans people are against the law in Algeria, so if she were trans, i'd more say she would be in jail, rather than compete in the olympics for her country




it all started because she won over the weak crybaby Angela Carini, well not Imane's problem that Miss Carini is physically among the weaker boxers this particular category, maybe Carini should compete at a different discipline this sport


but yeah blame the muslim, very easy these times

[Maru]

I can't see how they measure trans as a bonafide demographic (akin to sex) accurately, because even now, most things are measured according to male/female. So that also makes deep comparisons with preexisting statistics very tricky.

We can have a person counted one way statistically pretransition... but somehow we'll have to remove them later on in that population after they transition and ignore key differences in medical profiles? It doesn't change that future studies still count them based on sex, because that is still the most reliable predictor for much of the variables being looked at across studies... because we don't measure things in "character profiles", we measure them biologically. So in that case are we measuring them against other statistics where they're probably counted twice? (lol) It doesn't really work...

I think most of this ends up being pseudo-science because it's drawing up certain conclusions just in the way it is measured. It's very easy to ignore that is a mental health problem, ie a profile but not quite the same category as male/female. Moreover, not all trans people are transitioned in the same way and thus some will present differently. That has major social implications as well because even just small things like that can impact the explanations for differences. Then trying to haphazardly fit all that into a simple box akin to sex (male/female) is very messy. It leans a certain way just based on how it is measured and how it is being compared... and it doesn't account for the things we can't measure, like there will be key details being missed from when they were pretransitioned and not yet identified by anyone as trans... and yet we're supposed to compare those details against their own sex category, which maybe has other people who remain unidentified? That doesn't wash for me...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

her father did official interviews during the Paris2024 games


also trans people are against the law in Algeria, so if she were trans, i'd more say she would be in jail, rather than compete in the olympics for her country




it all started because she won over the weak crybaby Angela Carini, well not Imane's problem that Miss Carini is physically among the weaker boxers this particular category, maybe Carini should compete at a different discipline this sport


but yeah blame the muslim, very easy these times

what even?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

her father did official interviews during the Paris2024 games


also trans people are against the law in Algeria, so if she were trans, i'd more say she would be in jail, rather than compete in the olympics for her country




it all started because she won over the weak crybaby Angela Carini, well not Imane's problem that Miss Carini is physically among the weaker boxers this particular category, maybe Carini should compete at a different discipline this sport


but yeah blame the muslim, very easy these times

Yeah, the biological woman is a weak cry baby.

I'm thoroughly tired of you and your nonsense, Nicky.

[Ninastar]

A genuine interest I have is if there was a boxing competition for anyone of either to enter, what would the gender be of the person who won.

I’m still assuming biological male in cases of physical's sports but stuff like shooting/bow and arrow/disk golf etc etc it wouldn’t be too much of a big deal

Also I would like to see sports that had like an equal number of both genders on a team like say 5 women and 5 men in a football game vs another team of 5 men and 5 women

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

A genuine interest I have is if there was a boxing competition for anyone of either to enter, what would the gender be of the person who won.

I’m still assuming biological male in cases of physical's sports but stuff like shooting/bow and arrow/disk golf etc etc it wouldn’t be too much of a big deal

Also I would like to see sports that had like an equal number of both genders on a team like say 5 women and 5 men in a football game vs another team of 5 men and 5 women

They had mixed sex teams in the recent Olympic shooting .. as I recall the girls were better than the guys


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[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

A genuine interest I have is if there was a boxing competition for anyone of either to enter, what would the gender be of the person who won.

I’m still assuming biological male in cases of physical's sports but stuff like shooting/bow and arrow/disk golf etc etc it wouldn’t be too much of a big deal

Also I would like to see sports that had like an equal number of both genders on a team like say 5 women and 5 men in a football game vs another team of 5 men and 5 women

Things that are purely skill based can work.

Anything involving speed, strength or stamina will always be dominated by biological males (to the extent that, realistically, women wouldn't even be competing at the top level).

Combat sports like boxing it wouldn't be interesting at all it would be horrific - serious risk of severe injury or death. It's honestly that simple unfortunately. The combination of the vast difference in upper body strength and bone density.

Mixed teams can and do work in some sports (mixed doubles tennis for example, relays etc)

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, the biological woman is a weak cry baby.

I'm thoroughly tired of you and your nonsense, Nicky.

none of Khelif her other opponents had those nose pains like Carini though


and honestly her road to the gold wasn't easy, quite some tough matches for her


so yeah i stick with my opinion on this, Angela Carini should compete at a easier level


and there have been other female boxers whom had defeated Imane Khelif too, like that irish Kellie Harrington

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I’m glad we can agree that biological men are more likely to be predators

and that is the crux, and to expand on that given that biological men can now identify on a whim as trans and some people would want them to have access to female only spaces and they find that acceptable. If someone is genuinely trans I have no issues with them accessing female spaces as long as they are post op, pre op...no I am afraid as there are too many opportunists, and thats not me being a transphobe, its me being practical about my safety just the same as I would be walking on my own at night, and that is my right.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and that is the crux, and to expand on that given that biological men can now identify on a whim as trans and some people would want them to have access to female only spaces and they find that acceptable.

Do you honestly think straight, biological men who want to harm women will cosplay as a woman to gain access to women's spaces just to assault them though?

If someone is going to break the law and assault a woman, they will do it regardless. The statistics of violence from straight biological men towards women shows that they don't need to pretend to be a woman in order to assault them. They do it anyway. Time and time again.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Do you honestly think straight, biological men who want to harm women will cosplay as a woman to gain access to women's spaces just to assault them though?

If someone is going to break the law and assault a woman, they will do it regardless. The statistics of violence from straight biological men towards women shows that they don't need to pretend to be a woman in order to assault them. They do it anyway. Time and time again.

Yes, I do, for a range of reasons, to access vulnerable women and children, to intimidate, to prove they can access female spaces, to have an easier time in prison...how many men who have raped women have been placed in womens prisons for instance? and one is too many btw