[arista]

Originally Posted by Maru

This is incompetence.

Night before DC crash, another airliner nearly collided with a helicopter: report
S: https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/mi...ash-dc-airport

Yes it does not look good

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

This is incompetence.

Night before DC crash, another airliner nearly collided with a helicopter: report
S: https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/mi...ash-dc-airport

…that more feels as though it’s a training exercise path that shouldn’t be used as it’s far to unsafe …hopefully the black box recoveries will tell them more…

[Benjamin]

Black boxes have been recovered.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status...25766578282539

Look how much time the helicopter has as it flies directly into the Commercial Airliner..

[Cherie]

The pilot of the Airline named but not the Black Hawk? Why on earth are these helicopters flying around at night at a busy airport, now they are looking at staff shortages at air traffic control, surely if there are not enough staff to safely cover you would ground aircraft? especially the Military ones.....?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status...25766578282539

Look how much time the helicopter has as it flies directly into the Commercial Airliner..

Yes long time to move

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Maru

This is incompetence.

Night before DC crash, another airliner nearly collided with a helicopter: report
S: https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/mi...ash-dc-airport

Yep "near misses" have seemingly been common for a significant period of time, that's why all of the conspiracy theories and (absolutely bizarre) blaming of DEI hires seem particularly out of place with this incident. People have been saying it's been "an accident waiting to happen" - there's been an ongoing issue with Washington specifically, with helicopters cutting across flight paths. Just look at the location of the airport on a map, and the obvious fact that there will be more helicopter activity in Washington DC than most places in the world. Unusually busy airspace in the take off and landing path of international airport - the two just do not mix. Consider how tightly the airspace around Heathrow is controlled for example. Then add in the fact that airspace congestion is getting worse year-on-year and (as we were discussing in the Heathrow thread) not many new airports or runways are being built. More and increasing air traffic, same number of runways, obvious problem.

The only thing that happened here IMO, is that this "next in the line of near-misses" was not a near miss.

When you have a situation like that where something has been a risk for a long time, a tragedy occurring stops being an "unlikely event" and starts becoming a statistical probability. It was bound to happen at some point.

The fact that it's being turned into a political football to be tossed around instead of simply having experts neutrally look into what are now obvious and urgent safety concerns, is absolutely shocking. Well not shocking. Typical. But awful.

All Trump had to say was "This was a tragedy, this shouldn't have happened, we will find out why this happened". But no he could not do that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

‘DEI cost me job at FAA, a crash was inevitable’

Aspiring air traffic controller speaks out following deadly collision between
American Airlines flight 5342 and helicopter in Washington



An aspiring air traffic controller who claims he was denied a job because of
diversity targets said the aviation agency’s obsession with inclusion made an
accident likely to happen.

Andrew Brigida, 35, scored 100 per cent in his training exam but claims he
was denied a position in an air traffic control tower because the recruitment
process of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) favoured diverse
candidates.

Under the Obama administration, the regulator replaced a skills-based test
with a biographical questionnaire to attract "more diverse applicants".

Mr Trump said he candidates with “severe intellectual and psychiatric
disabilities” had been hired as air traffic controllers.

Quoting DEI policy, he said that the FAA was “actively recruiting workers who
suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental
and physical conditions”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/...as-inevitable/

[bots]

Everyone complains about Trump's way of handling things, but I read there was a solitary ATC staff member on duty at the time, that doesn't strike me as a safe situation. When considering air traffic events, nothing should be off the table when it comes to the investigation. We know they take things way too far in America with equality, it's not the first time there have been genuine concerns raised. At the very least, it should be looked into rather than treated with scorn

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bots

Everyone complains about Trump's way of handling things, but I read there was a solitary ATC staff member on duty at the time, that doesn't strike me as a safe situation. When considering air traffic events, nothing should be off the table when it comes to the investigation. We know they take things way too far in America with equality, it's not the first time there have been genuine concerns raised. At the very least, it should be looked into rather than treated with scorn

The system is over-stretched and airspace is cluttered without sufficient infrastructure - yes that should be looked into, but it most likely has nothing to do with DEI hires, and there's no evidence thus far that it even has anything to do with human error in air traffic control. IF it does then the reasons for that can be looked into. IF it then transpired that the problem is staff incompetence due to DEI hiring policies then that conversation can begin. It's highly, highly unlikely.

What we have is Trump double-guessing. Guessing at what happened, and then guessing at the reasons for that happening. For political reasons. He knows exactly what he's doing. Ranting about an air collision incident being because they're hiring people with mental health problems or severe intellectual disabilities as air traffic controllers. It's such obvious utter bollocks.

People with disabilities are frequently one of the first targets of fascists. This rhetoric is terrifying.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Pilot who landed the plane in the Hudson stated that if you looked at 1000 air accidents 999 would be human error.

Hire the best for the job

[bots]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The system is over-stretched and airspace is cluttered without sufficient infrastructure - yes that should be looked into, but it most likely has nothing to do with DEI hires, and there's no evidence thus far that it even has anything to do with human error in air traffic control. IF it does then the reasons for that can be looked into. IF it then transpired that the problem is staff incompetence due to DEI hiring policies then that conversation can begin. It's highly, highly unlikely.

What we have is Trump double-guessing. Guessing at what happened, and then guessing at the reasons for that happening. For political reasons. He knows exactly what he's doing. Ranting about an air collision incident being because they're hiring people with mental health problems or severe intellectual disabilities as air traffic controllers. It's such obvious utter bollocks.

People with disabilities are frequently one of the first targets of fascists. This rhetoric is terrifying.

You seem to imply what Trump is saying is unusual when nearly every person in the world speculates about causes in exactly the same way. You need to re-adjust to the current times when people can say whatever they like without any justification. Trump has been doing the same thing for at least 10 years, and the american people have voted him in twice as their president

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bots

You seem to imply what Trump is saying is unusual when nearly every person in the world speculates about causes in exactly the same way. You need to re-adjust to the current times when people can say whatever they like without any justification. Trump has been doing the same thing for at least 10 years, and the american people have voted him in twice as their president

Speculating by jumping straight to talking about them hiring people with intellectual disabilities and that being the cause is not something that a politician should be doing, and is extremely worrying. And is highly unlikely to be what happened. It is massively fascist-coded, and no, we do not need to "adjust" to accepting major world players saying whatever they like without justification. "Adjust to being blind as a bat, I'm sure they won't come for you next". He's not just some random person online. He's the president of the United States ffs. I couldn't give a sht about thick losers on X speculating - I do have a problem with it when it's the world's most powerful individuals doing it unchecked?

Mindless, lazy complacency. People with physical and intellectual disabilities are always near top of the list of "undesirables", it's clear as day what he's doing and when you're the parent of someone with disabilities, it's not something one has the luxury of sitting back and saying "oh well that's just the world" about.

[Liam-]

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that just last week Trump cleared out about 400 safety officers from these sorts of departments and now this has happened while only one person was at the helm.

Diversity in the workplace didn’t cause this incident and anybody saying it did is either plain stupid or wilfully ignorant

[Crimson Dynamo]

New Angle and footage

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1885306661834785082

[bots]

Western governments have been oh so successful over the last 20 years by setting parameters and refusing to entertain any divergence from them. The populations of those western governments have really thrived haven't they, nobody has had it better. Don't people think it's about time that new approaches were tried after years of failure?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bots

Western governments have been oh so successful over the last 20 years by setting parameters and refusing to entertain any divergence from them. The populations of those western governments have really thrived haven't they, nobody has had it better. Don't people think it's about time that new approaches were tried after years of failure?

Sure. If they're well thought out new approaches, and not propaganda-based garbage aimed at bigoted idiots. I don't think that's the "new stuff" we need to try.

"Ooh that chair you're sitting on has been giving you a bad back for years, have you considered something new? Perhaps sitting on a pile of nails and screws?"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

New Angle and footage

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1885306661834785082

Tweet after that great
Angle footage.
by Anthony Galli:




[I'm not an aviation expert, but if the plane's
light is so bright to me from a low-res camera
then how was it not to the trained helicopter pilot(s)?

And the sky seems so big to me for the
heli to hit it at that precise spot when the plane
was already slowing down for descent.]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Has the name of the copter pilot been made public?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that just last week Trump cleared out about 400 safety officers from these sorts of departments and now this has happened while only one person was at the helm.

Diversity in the workplace didn’t cause this incident and anybody saying it did is either plain stupid or wilfully ignorant

The Sexual Predator read the DEI conditions yesterday but lied to everyone and said it was the requirements to work in the control tower. He was reading the requirements for the wait for it….. offices in FAA.

You have to pass extensive checks to work in the towers.

The bloke is a buffoon.

Did you see what he said when asked if he was going to visit the crash site.?

“Do you want me to go swimming?”

As abhorrent as he is, I’m just sitting here laughing at his cult and anyone who supports this disturbing man.

[Gusto Brunt]

Apparently Trump was referring to trans traffic controllers they hired to be diverse, and rejected many highly intelligent people who were more qualified for the jobs.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

“Do you want me to go swimming?”

As abhorrent as he is, I’m just sitting here laughing at his cult and anyone who supports this disturbing man.

They'll declare this incredibly witty and funny.

Of course, if this had happened in the UK and Starmer said it, they'd be outraged and saying "imagine the impact a joke like that has on the families of the people being pulled out of that river". Which would be accurate.

But Trump saying it will be justified. Not just justified; they'll have a good old giggle about it. The masks have slipped so far at this point.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Has the name of the copter pilot been made public?

Chief Warrant Officer-2 Andrew Eaves from Noxubee County, Mississippi

https://www.wtva.com/news/noxubee-co...6ff7a9195.html

[bots]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

They'll declare this incredibly witty and funny.

Of course, if this had happened in the UK and Starmer said it, they'd be outraged and saying "imagine the impact a joke like that has on the families of the people being pulled out of that river". Which would be accurate.

But Trump saying it will be justified. Not just justified; they'll have a good old giggle about it. The masks have slipped so far at this point.

again, humour is how most people deal with tragedy, it's how we are wired. I'm not suggesting that Trump gives a flying **** about the crash, but he understands people, much more than Biden ever did

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bots

again, humour is how most people deal with tragedy, it's how we are wired. I'm not suggesting that Trump gives a flying **** about the crash, but he understands people, much more than Biden ever did

Yes but all that's really pointing out is that he's good at propaganda - which isn't a positive for anyone but himself.

I would also reiterate that it's not about that at all, because if this had been a month ago and Biden had said it, the exact same people who will declare Trump a hilarious king would have been lambasting Joe Biden if he had made exactly the same comment. It would have been branded "disgusting".