[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

#1, it wasn't my choice of phrase .

I've also always maintained that if TiBB wants to enforce a proper debates section where people debate in good faith without the insults then I'd very much like to use that, and would absolutely stick to those rules.

It's never happened.

So I engage with what we have, at the level we have it, as we all do.

Tbf you are one of the few members on here who constantly insults other members by calling them thick, dumb, stupid etc because they dont align with your world view, I dont see anyone retaliating in a similar vein...so not sure you have a leg to stand on that one!

[Redway]

If there’s one thing I’m blatantly not, QB, it’s stupid. And the whole splitting hairs between “I’m not a primary-school teacher” and the natural inference (‘go back to primary-school) is a prime example, like i said, of whar I’m talking about. You’re so deep into your continual style of being pedantic and contentious that you can’t even see it. I don’t know whether to laugh at this point or still just be annoyed.

Like I said, I don’t inherently dislike you or even necessarily disagree with much of what you’re on about a lot of the time. It’s your style, which breaks through many sub-sections as far as I can tell (so not just Serious Debates and News), that irritates me.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

If there’s one thing I’m blatantly not, QB, it’s stupid. And the whole splitting hairs between “I’m not a primary-school teacher” and the natural inference (‘go back to primary-school) is a prime example, like i said, of whar I’m talking about. You’re so deep into your continual style of being pedantic and contentious that you can’t even see it. I don’t know whether to laugh at this point or still just be annoyed.

Like I said, I don’t inherently dislike you or even necessarily disagree with much of what you’re on about a lot of the time. It’s your style, which breaks through many sub-sections as far as I can tell (so not just Serious Debates and News), that irritates me.

Redway I'm a total loss about why it should concern me that my style irritates you. That's all I can say really. I don't care - and I don't mean that in a confrontational or defensive way, I don't dislike you either, I just am genuinely completely indifferent to whether or not my posting style irritates you.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Redway I'm a total loss about why it should concern me that my style irritates you. That's all I can say really. I don't care - and I don't mean that in a confrontational or defensive way, I don't dislike you either, I just am genuinely completely indifferent to whether or not my posting style irritates you.

Well, obviously, it concerns you, otherwise you wouldn’t have made a whole thread about it. Weak retorts is another mark against you.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Redway

Well, obviously, it concerns you, otherwise you wouldn’t have made a whole thread about it. Weak retorts is another mark against you.

He said the same to me when he accused me of lying on here for the last 15 years and it upset me. He said, "I don't care". That's very much his posting style.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf you are one of the few members on here who constantly insults other members by calling them thick, dumb, stupid etc because they dont align with your world view, I dont see anyone retaliating in a similar vein...so not sure you have a leg to stand on that one!

The bits in bold come on now Cherie - the only explanation I can think of there is that you've not logged on before they're deleted? I can't even engage thoughtfully with a thread these days without a snarky "Oh here comes Mr Know it all" from one of TiBB's saddest power couple.

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I've also always maintained that if TiBB wants to enforce a proper debates section where people debate in good faith without the insults then I'd very much like to use that, and would absolutely stick to those rules.

It's never happened.

So I engage with what we have, at the level we have it, as we all do.

I can't really even bit in bold this as a reply/ It's just the whole reply Cherie. I'm not saying I engage properly on this forum - I'm quite clearly saying that IF TiBB ever decides it wants to properly create a section where that's the rules/etiquette then I'd happily engage with it and stick to that, but it's not what we've got, and I'm not here to set an example. We have a forum full of people trolling and playing dumb 3/4 of the time. That's just me calling it as I see it. Why would I not respond in kind, when the staff have no intention of stopping any of that? I've tried multiple times to engage the staff on the trolling, gaslightling and nonsense rightwing propaganda that's completely infested this forum but James has made it abundantly clear that he's not interested. Show me a good forum or even a good thread and I'll engage with it like it's a good thread, show me trash and I'll fire back some trash.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

Well, obviously, it concerns you, otherwise you wouldn’t have made a whole thread about it. Weak retorts is another mark against you.

It confuses me that you think I'd change anything about anything at all because of it irritating you Redway - genuinely flabbergasted. I made a whole thread because the other one was closed, as you well know, not because it was greatly important.

I quite often make follow-up threads to closed threads, because I'm against thread closing in general.

It's hardly the first time (ask the mods).

When I say I don't care that you don't like my posts I genuinely mean that - it bugs me slightly that you seem to genuinely believe I'd change anything about them whatsoever for your comfort, though .

[James]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I've been on various forums since I was 12 years old, and Vicky has the prestigious title of having written the longest single forum post I've ever seen in 25+ years . I can't even remember what the topic was, I just remember the dazzling length of the post.

This is Vicky's longest post on the forum, by my calculations.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...2#post11008492

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Livia

He said the same to me when he accused me of lying on here for the last 15 years and it upset me. He said, "I don't care". That's very much his posting style.

That’s poor show on his part.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The bits in bold come on now Cherie - the only explanation I can think of there is that you've not logged on before they're deleted? I can't even engage thoughtfully with a thread these days without a snarky "Oh here comes Mr Know it all" from one of TiBB's saddest power couple.



I can't really even bit in bold this as a reply/ It's just the whole reply Cherie. I'm not saying I engage properly on this forum - I'm quite clearly saying that IF TiBB ever decides it wants to properly create a section where that's the rules/etiquette then I'd happily engage with it and stick to that, but it's not what we've got, and I'm not here to set an example. We have a forum full of people trolling and playing dumb 3/4 of the time. That's just me calling it as I see it. Why would I not respond in kind, when the staff have no intention of stopping any of that? I've tried multiple times to engage the staff on the trolling, gaslightling and nonsense rightwing propaganda that's completely infested this forum but James has made it abundantly clear that he's not interested. Show me a good forum or even a good thread and I'll engage with it like it's a good thread, show me trash and I'll fire back some trash.

And where exactly did I (of all people) play dumb to the extent that you had to remind me you’re not a primary-school teacher?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

That’s poor show on his part.

Context schmontext eh . "What actually happened?" - Who cares, we're playing best of 7. See Redway, you do get it after all.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Context schmontext eh . "What actually happened?" - Who cares, we're playing best of 7. See Redway, you do get it after all.

What in God’s Earth are you even on about?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

And where exactly did I (of all people) play dumb to the extent that you had to remind me you’re not a primary-school teacher?

You actively and specifically requested that I reframe/rephrase my posts in a "less formal, less debate-y, more chatty and conversational style" because it's your preference in terms of what posts you like to read. The entitlement is off the charts; I don't write my posts for you? Or for anyone else on here?

So no, I won't make them less formal and "more chatty" for your comfort. Because I'm not your primary school teacher and I don't care if you like, nor if you even read, my posts if you don't like the way they're written, and I'm not contractually obliged to meet a "standard".

I hope that's clearer now?

I think it was clear in the first place, personally, but I get that you also didn't like that style, either.

Originally Posted by Redway

What in God’s Earth are you even on about?

...given the starting point of this entire debacle, I'm not going to patronise you by explaining it to you. You're a clever chap you'll figure it out if you want to, and let it slide if you can't be arsed. Right?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The bits in bold come on now Cherie - the only explanation I can think of there is that you've not logged on before they're deleted? I can't even engage thoughtfully with a thread these days without a snarky "Oh here comes Mr Know it all" from one of TiBB's saddest power couple.



I can't really even bit in bold this as a reply/ It's just the whole reply Cherie. I'm not saying I engage properly on this forum - I'm quite clearly saying that IF TiBB ever decides it wants to properly create a section where that's the rules/etiquette then I'd happily engage with it and stick to that, but it's not what we've got, and I'm not here to set an example. We have a forum full of people trolling and playing dumb 3/4 of the time. That's just me calling it as I see it. Why would I not respond in kind, when the staff have no intention of stopping any of that? I've tried multiple times to engage the staff on the trolling, gaslightling and nonsense rightwing propaganda that's completely infested this forum but James has made it abundantly clear that he's not interested. Show me a good forum or even a good thread and I'll engage with it like it's a good thread, show me trash and I'll fire back some trash.

Yeah I get that but it still does not have to involve personal comments about members, their relationships, or how they use their personal downtime

I dont know who TiBBs power couple are ...is it Neem and MTVN...that would make sense

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Yeah I get that but it still does not have to involve personal comments about members, their relationships, or how they use their personal downtime

Fair - but I'd challenge you to name someone that I've "gotten personal" with who didn't go there first.

"How they use their personal downtime" might need more explanation; I think it's OK to have thoughts and opinions on certain recreational activities without it being off-limits because someone might be offended. I'm not sure how some discussions would be able to happen if that was totally off the table. I have some specific examples in mind here but you might be referring to something else.

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by James

This is Vicky's longest post on the forum, by my calculations.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...2#post11008492

I almost feel like I've read epic Russian novels shorter than that.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

You actively and specifically requested that I reframe/rephrase my posts in a "less formal, less debate-y, more chatty and conversational style" because it's your preference in terms of what posts you like to read. The entitlement is off the charts; I don't write my posts for you? Or for anyone else on here?

So no, I won't make them less formal and "more chatty" for your comfort. Because I'm not your primary school teacher and I don't care if you like, nor if you even read, my posts if you don't like the way they're written, and I'm not contractually obliged to meet a "standard".

I hope that's clearer now?

I think it was clear in the first place, personally, but I get that you also didn't like that style, either.



...given the starting point of this entire debacle, I'm not going to patronise you by explaining it to you. You're a clever chap you'll figure it out if you want to, and let it slide if you can't be arsed. Right?

Your inferences of “chatty” are bull, let me tell you. There’s a way to present your opinions in a way that doesn’t sound like you’re reading a tribunal or trying to balance an argument and still sound sophisticated or formal. I manage to do it often enough.

I don’t even recall telling you to switch up your style. Just that I find your style of posting annoying sometimes. I still acknowledge that you have the right to crack on and post however you like.

[Ammi]

…I’ll just add that I agree with Quantum in regards to a debate section being something to consider …I recall back in the day that Kate…(…I think it was…)…suggested this and it wasn’t felt necessary at the time or something that would add to the forum…I think in the earlier days of making this section ‘serious debates and news’ it might have worked ok…?…but news …click bait news/‘outrage’ news…’fake news’ and just news in general..both mainstream and social media etc…have changed so much over recent times and because many threads in this section are based on the media…?…which gives very ‘select’ information it would be better to separate into an actual debate section and especially with the more controversial topics…

…the only other thing I’m going to say to you, Redway…?..is that Lord oh Lord, I’m so used to having my own posting style criticised in every which way …and it’s quite hurtful because you’re basically being criticised just for being you…there are lots of positives to take from Quantum’s posts…as well as lots of information and lots of thought etc…but most of all…it’s him…it’s how he posts and it’s uniquely him …please think about the criticism that you’re laying at him and that you’re criticising someone for being and individual and being comfortable in their own unique style…

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

Your inferences of “chatty” are bull, let me tell you. There’s a way to present your opinions in a way that doesn’t sound like you’re reading a tribunal or trying to balance an argument and still sound sophisticated or formal. I manage to do it often enough.

I don’t even recall telling you to switch up your style. Just that I find your style of posting annoying sometimes. I still acknowledge that you have the right to crack on and post however you like.

The implication was definitely that it should be changed and I believe the phrase "I hope he learns to..." was used, even. Can't be verified now as it looks like the thread is gone.

Regardless, and again I don't even mean this defensively as - just as Ammi says - everyone has their own style but to address the bit in bold... I don't want to sound like you Redway. I don't know why you'd assume other people would be inclined to use your posting style as a template for great reading. I don't particularly like the way your posts flow, and we've disagreed on some of your rigid thinking on a couple of topics, it just doesn't irk me enough to have "brought it up"... we obviously just have very different views on what's an enjoyable read and that's OK.

If I'm going to be totally blunt - I think I pissed you off a few months back by suggesting that Samaritans (while being in many ways great) has plenty of issues, and you feel defensive of that organisation and you've not quite let it go yet. Plus the whole debacle about "the immorality sharing with spouses".

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The implication was definitely that it should be changed and I believe the phrase "I hope he learns to..." was used, even. Can't be verified now as it looks like the thread is gone.

Regardless, and again I don't even mean this defensively as - just as Ammi says - everyone has their own style but to address the bit in bold... I don't want to sound like you Redway. I don't know why you'd assume other people would be inclined to use your posting style as a template for great reading. I don't particularly like the way your posts flow, and we've disagreed on some of your rigid thinking on a couple of topics, it just doesn't irk me enough to have "brought it up"... we obviously just have very different views on what's an enjoyable read and that's OK.

If I'm going to be totally blunt - I think I pissed you off a few months back by suggesting that Samaritans (while being in many ways great) has plenty of issues, and you feel defensive of that organisation and you've not quite let it go yet. Plus the whole debacle about "the immorality sharing with spouses".

You think this is about Samaritans? LMFAO. No. It’s about you. You piss me off all the time. It’s not about an isolated instance of it. Deflecting to external incidents to absolve yourself of the acknowledgement that not everyone’s a number-one fan of your pedantic-debating style of posting is you all over.

I never said anyone should use my posting style as a template for anything. Again, that’s you and your daft, silly assumptions and inferences getting ahead of what people are really saying.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

You think this is about Samaritans? LMFAO. No. It’s about you.

It's not about me though is it, I'm not the one with the issue, you have a bee in your bonnet about not liking the way I post. It can only be about you. Maybe I'm wrong about the grudge-holding, maybe it's just more rigid thinking... you don't like how I share my opinions, and that means how I share my opinions is "wrong", and how you do it is "right".

You've shown your hand a bit with that "I manage to do it often enough." comment - you have a sky high opinion of your own posts and posting style, which is fine, I can appreciate that, I like a bit of self-aggrandiding myself so that's probably where we've ended up clashing here. The difference I suppose is that I don't want you to post "more like I do" - I'm happy for you to have your own style. You can be happy for me, too

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

You think this is about Samaritans? LMFAO. No. It’s about you. You piss me off all the time. It’s not about an isolated instance of it.

I never said anyone should use my posting style as a template for anything. Again, that’s you and your daft, silly assumptions and inferences getting ahead of what people are really saying.

okay so we got to the end of this now, its not about posting style, its just a personal clash....it happens, you just need to move on with it, either put QB on ignore and go in to bat everytime he posts, the choice is yours really

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

It's not about me though is it, I'm not the one with the issue, you have a bee in your bonnet about not liking the way I post. It can only be about you. Maybe I'm wrong about the grudge-holding, maybe it's just more rigid thinking... you don't like how I share my opinions, and that means how I share my opinions is "wrong", and how you do it is "right".

You've shown your hand a bit with that "I manage to do it often enough." comment - you have a sky high opinion of your own posts and posting style, which is fine, I can appreciate that, I like a bit of self-aggrandiding myself so that's probably where we've ended up clashing here. The difference I suppose is that I don't want you to post "more like I do" - I'm happy for you to have your own style. You can be happy for me, too

I didn’t say wrong. Just annoying. What’s not to get? Again, where do you get off with your daft inferences?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Cherie

okay so we got to the end of this now, its not about posting style, its just a personal clash....it happens, you just need to move on with it, either put QB on ignore and go in to bat everytime he posts, the choice is yours really

Personal clashing is exactly what it’s not. I fundamentally don’t like the way he posts (and he’s entitled to feel the same, of course) and felt like saying a few words about it. This has nothing to do with Samaritans.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

I never said anyone should use my posting style as a template for anything. Again, that’s you and your daft, silly assumptions and inferences getting ahead of what people are really saying.

Nonsense the entire foundation of your argument was that I should stop posting the way I do, and that you'd prefer it if I switched to "taking more of a stance" in a more conversational style. It's not an assumption - it's what you said. I understand why you might want to walk it back though; so...

If that's not what you were saying, what were you saying when you commented on;

- Not liking the style of my posts
- Thinking my posts are "too formal"
- Too academic
- Argue both sides too often
- Like a courtroom
- Thinking my posts "don't take a clear stance"
- Hoping I "learn that it doesn't have to be that way"
- Pointing out that "you manage to do it"
- (there was more but that's plenty)


If you weren't suggesting that 1) there's something wrong with it and also that 2) your way of doing things is inherently better...

...

What were you doing/saying?

I'm happy to wait for a decent answer; one that does in fact answer, and isn't just "Not that / no I wasn't!"