[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not true Jessica, you have no idea about my real experiences, but I can tell you your assumptions are wrong.

If someone on this forum had a bad experience with a trans person they'd be shouting it from the rooftops because it proves a point for them that they have no basis behind otherwise.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

If someone on this forum had a bad experience with a trans person they'd be shouting it from the rooftops because it proves a point for them that they have no basis behind otherwise.

Why did you jump to bad experiences straight away? I know a transwoman through work, I haven't had any bad experiences. I was just saying that just because people have their opinions here it doesn't mean that they don't know transpeople irl

[Cherie]

Nobody has answered my question as to why the trans protesters defaced a statue of a Suffragette ...why do they hate our rights so much?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody has answered my question as to why the trans protesters defaced a statue of a Suffragette ...why do they hate our rights so much?

What a conundrum

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody has answered my question as to why the trans protesters defaced a statue of a Suffragette ...why do they hate our rights so much?

There’s always a few bad apples, however, do we know it was a trans that did that? Or are we assuming? Could of been an ally of the trans community

[Barry.]

Oh sorry Cherie just read the that again. Some protesters are vandals, and that’s why they join in the protest

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Oh sorry Cherie just read the that again. Some protesters are vandals, and that’s why they join in the protest

Bingo...and some are jumping on the self ID bandwagon so they can harrass women.... it needs to be stopped and hopefully the Supreme Court Judgement will achieve that..

[arista]

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[The Daily Express reports that campaigners
who won the landmark Supreme Court ruling
on the definition of a woman are facing a campaign
of "death threats and abuse"]

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[The Daily Telegraph is another paper
still leading with the fallout from the
gender ruling.
It says the prime minister has refused
to stop a plot by ministers to "thwart" the judgment.
It writes Labour ministers and MPs
will meet this week to discuss how to promote
trans rights following the landmark judgement.]

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Gay men identify as men, that's why they aren't allowed in women's spaces.

Until now, of course. Now identity doesn't matter so now a gay trans man will be in allowed in women's spaces, beard and testosterone patch included.

I said I'd stop but I'm too opinionated but I do feel like I am just repeating myself, which is my bad. We're allowed not to agree, I don't want to make it seem like my incessant opinions are trying to convince you otherwise, it's too emotive and complex a subject for people just to change their minds because of a stranger on the internet

I mean can we just cut to the chase and say it like it is here: a trans man no matter how much T they've taken or how long their beard is, is highly unlikely to attack or harass a woman in a changing area or bathroom, whereas an autogynephilic male self-IDing as a woman is a clear risk, in multiple ways, even if it's not of carrying out a physical attack.

If the claim is that some self-IDing trans women are not autgynephiles... Well, that claim is simply false/a lie. It exists as a notable percentage of the trans community. The refusal to (for want of a better word) "separate out" the different motivations between trans identities and the refusal to even acknowledge that those motivations can be wildly different - that?most are harmless lifestyle choices, but some are sexually motivated and rooted in sometimes serious comorbid mental health issues - is part of what's led to this entire issue for all. "That Doesn't Happen" is the mantra. It does happen.