[arista]

PM Starmer
has stated he welcomes the Judge's Judgment.

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BBC2HD Politics Live
Start of the show

[arista]

The SNP are changing nothing,
typical of them.
The Scottish Conservatives wanted answers from them.
got nothing

[bots]

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer does not believe transgender women are women, his official spokesman has said.

It comes after the UK Supreme Court ruled last week that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.

In March 2022, when he was leader of the opposition, Sir Keir told the Times, external that "a woman is a female adult, and in addition to that transwomen are women, and that is not just my view - that is actually the law".

Asked if Sir Keir still believed that a transgender woman was a woman, the PM's official spokesman said: "No, the Supreme Court judgment has made clear that when looking at the Equality Act, a woman is a biological woman."

The spokesman added: "That is set out clearly by the court judgment."

Pressed over when the PM had changed his mind, his spokesman insisted the Labour government had been consistent that single-sex spaces "are protected in law".

The ruling also makes it clear that a person who was born male but identifies as a woman does not have the right to use spaces or services designated as for women-only.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crldey0z00ro


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Does anyone now believe a word the prime minister says?

[arista]

"Does anyone now believe a word the prime minister says?"

Yes great point,
I assume it depends on the Wind blowing
directions

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer does not believe transgender women are women, his official spokesman has said.

It comes after the UK Supreme Court ruled last week that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.

In March 2022, when he was leader of the opposition, Sir Keir told the Times, external that "a woman is a female adult, and in addition to that transwomen are women, and that is not just my view - that is actually the law".

Asked if Sir Keir still believed that a transgender woman was a woman, the PM's official spokesman said: "No, the Supreme Court judgment has made clear that when looking at the Equality Act, a woman is a biological woman."

The spokesman added: "That is set out clearly by the court judgment."

Pressed over when the PM had changed his mind, his spokesman insisted the Labour government had been consistent that single-sex spaces "are protected in law".

The ruling also makes it clear that a person who was born male but identifies as a woman does not have the right to use spaces or services designated as for women-only.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crldey0z00ro


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Does anyone now believe a word the prime minister says?

No he flip flops more than Nicky

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

The SNP are changing nothing,
typical of them.
The Scottish Conservatives wanted answers from them.
got nothing

So they are breaking the law?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So they are breaking the law?

Is it a different law up there?

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Is it a different law up there?

Supreme court is for the UK, thats why the case was heard there rather than in Scotland

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Is it a different law up there?

No...the Court sat in Scotland

[arista]

Well the SNP are Crazy

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No he flip flops more than Nicky

To be fair Starmer is a letter of the law type, he'll go with the official legal ruling. Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing for a politician. That's what they're supposed to do. They can disagree with laws and campaign to have them changed, but while a law is in place, politicians should follow them.

We're all a bit to used to the Trump era and politicians just totally disregarding court rulings I suppose.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Good on Radio5 Live

Telling a Labour MP
that Starmer is a Coward (headline)


Starmer Kicked out Rosie Duffield MP
over this

[Quantum Boy]

JK Rowling really is off down the pipeline at this point which is a shame. She really didn't need to go full Lozza Fox, it's not a good look and cheapens her platform if anything.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

JK Rowling really is off down the pipeline at this point which is a shame. She really didn't need to go full Lozza Fox, it's not a good look and cheapens her platform if anything.

I guess she has taken enough abuse and death threats to allow herself her moment?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I guess she has taken enough abuse and death threats to allow herself her moment?

It's not just the one moment and I'm not sure why that moment would be sitting with drink and cigar in hand, it's a slight right-wing dog whistle, like I said it's a bit Laurence Fox. I'm not saying she shouldn't have had her say or even gloated. The cigar is odd imagery.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I guess she has taken enough abuse and death threats to allow herself her moment?

Everyone's a critic... After all she's had to take you'd think people would lay off the criticism, but no...

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone's a critic... After all she's had to take you'd think people would lay off the criticism, but no...

I'm not firing tweets at her am I, I doubt she's going to see my commentary on TiBB debates but I suppose you never know .

[Beso]

So what's going to happen to all those bearded muscular trans men when someone sees them going into a woman's toilet behind their girlfriend?

Only way this can be solved is a third toilet.

[arista]

Clive Lewis MP Labour Party
on the BBC2HD Politics Live

Said he does not agree with his Prime Minister,
and he will not obey the Judge

One of many.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Beso

So what's going to happen to all those bearded muscular trans men when someone sees them going into a woman's toilet behind their girlfriend?

Only way this can be solved is a third toilet.

There's no safeguarding issue in a trans man choosing to use a men's toilet but yes from a legal standpoint this part is now a complete mess - as I can see many of them worried that they're in the wrong by going into the wrong toilet (and technically by law they would be). "Safest" option currently would be to use the disabled toilets (which anyone can use, there are no rules that you have to "prove" yourself to be disabled, because of hidden disabilities etc.)

Again I think the only long-term solution is having more single-unit toilets for anyone's use. Honestly surely most people would prefer it anyway.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Clive Lewis MP Labour Party
on the BBC2HD Politics Live

Said he does not agree with his Prime Minister,
and he will not obey the Judge

One of many.

So he's fine with people not obeying court rulings in general? Not a good look for an MP surely? What's the point in courts in that case?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So he's fine with people not obeying court rulings in general? Not a good look for an MP surely? What's the point in courts in that case?

Yes he stated he does not agree with the Judge or PM Starmer
on this topic.



We need a list of these Labour MP's

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he stated he does not agree with the Judge or PM Starmer
on this topic.



We need a list of these Labour MP's

Disagreeing with it is one thing but saying he won't obey the court ruling is surely not something that should be accepted as member of the government