[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s something men of his age/ generation have said to or about lesbians for as long as I can remember - guys still say similar things in pubs and bars now .. then they all laugh because it’s a joke

Yeah if they're scumbags. It's not all men of that age and generation by a huge stretch. I used to work with "men of that generation" on the daily, some of them were lovely decent blokes and some of them were pervy old letches who would make sexual innuendos about young women all the time.

I'm sorry if you and your pals fall into the latter category Zizu but no, you are wrong, it's not normal, ok, or "all men" pub chat.

Just the slimeball ones. Like Mickey.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Yes because of Increased Career Opportunities and Independence

do you have an issue with women wanting this?

Absolutely not, I am cheering them on. Not sure how what I said implied this in any way.

I’m saying the bottom of the barrel men cracking jokes about rape are often the same men asking the question of why they’re single and it’s humorous they can’t see why.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

she has stated she is not a lesbian

At the time she identified as a lesbian, I’m talking about the situation as of the time it happened. For example If I mention it in 3 years I will refer to JoJo as the age she was when it took place, not her current age. Thats how referring to historic events works.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I’m saying the bottom of the barrel men cracking jokes about rape are often the same men asking the question of why they’re single and it’s humorous they can’t see why.

Yes they get really defensive about it on certain online discussion forums, too.

No this one obviously. But certain ones. Other ones of course.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The same men then wonder why women are staying single and aren’t reproducing with them. Lol

Quite probably

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Absolutely not, I am cheering them on. Not sure how what I said implied this in any way.

I’m saying the bottom of the barrel men cracking jokes about rape are often the same men asking the question of why they’re single and it’s humorous they can’t see why.

Who is cracking jokes about rape ??

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Who is cracking jokes about rape ??

The men you mentioned: the ones in the pubs who joke about forcing themselves on lesbians to turn them straight. The men like Mickey who joke about tying someone up and having non-consensual sex with them to turn them straight.

You do realise making a joke about tying someone up and having sex with them to try and change their sexuality is a RAPE joke, right??

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The men you mentioned: the ones in the pubs who joke about forcing themselves on lesbians to turn them straight. The men like Mickey who joke about tying someone up and having non-consensual sex with them to turn them straight.

You do realise making a joke about tying someone up and having sex with them to try and change their sexuality is a RAPE joke, right??

Jimmy Carr makes jokes like that all the time

He is doing ok

Do you have a problem now with Jimmy Carr?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Absolutely not, I am cheering them on. Not sure how what I said implied this in any way.

I’m saying the bottom of the barrel men cracking jokes about rape are often the same men asking the question of why they’re single and it’s humorous they can’t see why.

men making jokes are wondering why they are single?

where are you getting this from??

is there a link?

[Crimson Dynamo]

here is Jimmy on rape jokes

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UY6ADxBPmAo

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The men you mentioned: the ones in the pubs who joke about forcing themselves on lesbians to turn them straight. The men like Mickey who joke about tying someone up and having non-consensual sex with them to turn them straight.

You do realise making a joke about tying someone up and having sex with them to try and change their sexuality is a RAPE joke, right??

Nobody EVER mentions forcing themselves onto someone or raping !!

Where are you getting this dangerous rhetoric from ?

It’s just a well used , harmless, throwaway line. - basically from another time ..

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Nobody EVER mentions forcing themselves onto someone or raping !!

Where are you getting this dangerous rhetoric from ?

It’s just a well used , harmless, throwaway line. - basically from another time ..

Mickey joked to JoJo he would have sex with her so she would turn straight, she said no she's all good and then he said he'd tie her up and do it. That would be called rape, and therefore made what he said a rape joke. Keep up.

And even without the tying up, lesbians don't want to have sex with men, so men joking about having sex with them t turn them straight would mean it would be non-consensual.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes I also believe it was a joke, as I said, I just really don’t think there is a place for those sorts of jokes anymore. This isn’t the 50s, men are far more emotionally intelligent with each generation that passes, by and large, and women are no longer property.

Comedy is of course extremely subjective but there isn’t anything clever about a 70 year old man joking to a 21 year lesbian that he’ll tie her up and have sex with her to change her sexuality - it’s bottom of the barrel kind of humour and for the most part is looked on by society as embarrassing and outdated thankfully.

There is absolutely a place for clever close-to-the-bone ‘offensive’ humour in society, but this was not it, it was just… grim.

I think character for me at the end of it is deciding when to take certain things on or not. If a Mickey had said this to me in similar context, it wouldn't have interrupted my day and I certainly wouldn't dwell about it laying in bed at night. I have too much faith in my fellow man to dig themselves their own holes to fall in... they don't need me doing that hard labor for them. I think he, like many of the others there, were pushing for a reaction for cameratime... it has to be seen in that context, also...

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Jimmy Carr makes jokes like that all the time

He is doing ok

Do you have a problem now with Jimmy Carr?

Why are you saying "do you have a problem with Jimmy Carr" like such a thing is unthinkable? Odd behaviour.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Mickey joked to JoJo he would have sex with her so she would turn straight, she said no she's all good and then he said he'd tie her up and do it. That would be called rape, and therefore made what he said a rape joke. Keep up.

And even without the tying up, lesbians don't want to have sex with men, so men joking about having sex with them t turn them straight would mean it would be non-consensual.

I thought he said something like..
“ 3 days in here with me … and you’ll be straight “

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Mickey joked to JoJo he would have sex with her so she would turn straight, she said no she's all good and then he said he'd tie her up and do it. That would be called rape, and therefore made what he said a rape joke. Keep up.

And even without the tying up, lesbians don't want to have sex with men, so men joking about having sex with them t turn them straight would mean it would be non-consensual.

Keep up !?
You cheeky bar steward !!


It was all tongue in cheek banter said in front of about 6 people !!

He was talking to Jo Jo but saying it to make the others in the garden laugh

Mickey
“ if I stay more than 4 days - you won’t be gay no more ..”
————
Jo Jo

“ I can guarantee I will still be gay and still be in a relationship “
————-

Mickey ( throw away comment) whilst SMILING

“ I’ll tie you up “

————-

Jo Jo

I can promise you that won’t happen- I dare you to try - you’ll be the one tied up”

——/—

Conversation over - Mickey starts talking to Jack ..

[Zizu]

Jo Jo is typical of young people these days - always on the lookout for for drama and exaggerating any comment or gesture just to get some kind of attention — any kind

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Jo Jo is typical of young people these days - always on the lookout for for drama and exaggerating any comment or gesture just to get some kind of attention — any kind

#1 she didn't do that at all, your memory is failing you, in fact she developed a sort of friendship with Mickey, it was Ella who had a major issue with Mickey.

#2 the above was not all he said and nit the part she was upset about, it was the "I'm voting for the lesbian" comment and "f*g - of course I mean cigarette!" type jokes she had an issue with. And she didn't even make a very big deal about it.

I don't think she's beyond criticism, it's looking a lot like she did take her relationship a bit far with Chris in the house - given that she had a partner on the outside, who she should (ideally) have broken up with first. But her conduct otherwise with most housemates, and with Mickey, wasn't what you're describing at all.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

#1 she didn't do that at all, your memory is failing you, in fact she developed a sort of friendship with Mickey, it was Ella who had a major issue with Mickey.

#2 the above was not all he said and nit the part she was upset about, it was the "I'm voting for the lesbian" comment and "f*g - of course I mean cigarette!" type jokes she had an issue with. And she didn't even make a very big deal about it.

I don't think she's beyond criticism, it's looking a lot like she did take her relationship a bit far with Chris in the house - given that she had a partner on the outside, who she should (ideally) have broken up with first. But her conduct otherwise with most housemates, and with Mickey, wasn't what you're describing at all.

You are welcome

https://youtu.be/N3VP6o8cGg4

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You are welcome

https://youtu.be/N3VP6o8cGg4

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Please keep away from all women if that's your mentality. It's giving "no means yes" vibes. Gross.

Giggity! Giggity!

But seriously, I think that everyone should know that Mickey's off his rocker lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The same men then wonder why women are staying single and aren’t reproducing with them. Lol

Tbf, both men and women are making each other sometimes go more extreme towards each other.

After all I don't believe that Andrew Tate would even have a platform to begin with if some men didn't feel isolated from some women (mainly in the younger generations) becoming more extreme in their views about men.

And then men being really drawn to Andrew Tate and sharing his views are then making women become more radical feminist/misandrist.

And then rince and repeat really on other topics between the modern divide between men and women.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It was all tongue in cheek banter said in front of about 6 people !!

He was talking to Jo Jo but saying it to make the others in the garden laugh

Mickey
“ if I stay more than 4 days - you won’t be gay no more ..”
————
Jo Jo

“ I can guarantee I will still be gay and still be in a relationship “
————-

Mickey ( throw away comment) whilst SMILING

“ I’ll tie you up “
..

Why are you pretending I didn’t say it was a JOKE multiple times?

Your reading comprehension is pretty terrible.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why are you pretending I didn’t say it was a JOKE multiple times?

Your reading comprehension is pretty terrible.

You are weird , are you on something

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Giggity! Giggity!

But seriously, I think that everyone should know that Mickey's off his rocker lol.

Yeah … It’s not that DEEP

LOL