[Shaun_Wrantz]

I am really getting into BB this year, I don't know why, maybe boredom, maybe something else, I really do not know. Whatever the case, I am very intrested in the development of this group.

I study Community Drama and a lot of what we do is about working with people and working with groups, it's great, I get to be a weirdo and no-one bats an eyelid, sometimes the course is a bit like BB in its own right.

Anyhow, I have always been dubious about certain housemates and their intentions and reasons for applying for big brother and their general cander within the group, sometimes the littlest thing shows character and personality.

That new girl today, I can't remember her name, the one who got the task first off. Well I think how she handled the whole situation (for me) showed her character better than any of (or most) of the character showing excercises in the house.

I really do not know how she has gone about implementing her task, but to be honest, for the normal, genuine and logical person, it was a no brainer!!!

What would you have done?

Well personally, I would have gathered the other 4 new housemates and I would have taken them into the room with the red seats and told them exactly what was said. Now I would have made this plainly obvious to the rest of the group and I would have not have tried to do it underhand, or the way BB wanted.

I would have then stated the obvious, at the end of the day, with the newhousemates, being... well new, surely it would have been fair for them to throw the sail against the wind and **** the scheming task off and reap the backlash of all being nominated and then use the rest of the week to let the chips fall where they may.

If a person is being genuine and being their own concious selves then what do they have to worry about? The public could only evict one person and at the end of the day if you are going to go into the BB environment, you have to be prepared to be judged for yourself and how you behave and aclimatize to life in the house.

Surely it isn't fair for people who have just entered the house to have the power and the audacity to think that they could simply scheme and sway opinions against the current housemates. Because in turn, they aren't just eluding and scheming against the two chosen housemates (is it noirin and freddy), they are scheming against everyone!

It really does give them a sword in a fight made of ice on a hot summers day. I know it can be seen as a sort of catch 22 situation, but unless you are in that state of mind to rock the boat, surely, surely this would be a no brainer.

I for one would rather be seen as being honest and just, than to save my own skin and ass by degrading myself to the level of a rat.

I mean, am I alone here? Is that not the right way to think about it?

Some people are just out for themselves and sometimes this program shows it, it really shows the inhumane and illogical side to people for me. Of course, authoritarian cohersion is a powerful tool, a tool which BB sometimes uses to their benefit, but being "Famous" can't delude people that much!

[setanta]

i agree with you. it's a fairly callous ask of big brother to turn the new housemates into gameplayers the moment they go in. they're only in the door and they're caught between a rock and a hard place. they're at a disadvantage already with the viewers, as we have already lived with older housemates and as such have developed connections with them all, loving some, hating others. the lines have been drawn in our minds as to who we like and dislike and it would be a difficult task at the best of times for the new housemates to persuade us to dismiss our loyalties to the first group of housemates and choose one of them as our winner. so yeah, its not fair to do that to them.

[Shaun_Wrantz]

It's not just unfair, but immediately it is going to put that girl right in the sniper scope, almost as soon as she came in. It was kind of like a honeytrap, and she fell straight into it, I blame her to be honest mate, I really do.

If she would have taken the time to listen (because she didn't listen), understand and logically think about the ramifications of what she was about to undertake, surely her humanity (and im not going to pick bones about this, it is basic humanity), would have kicked in, but it never, you could almost see the thorny horns of fame sprouting from each side of her head.

I don't know, maybe I am being too harsh, too quick, but BB is becoming TOO much about social tact and communal cohesion, that it is really hard for us a viewers to tell who is being genuine and who isn't. Now, maybe this is part and parcel of the fun behind BB and maybe it is something that makes it unique, as it is the 21st century Shakespeare, it really is.

I'm sorry but if I was a producer for BB, surely I would want people of the public to watch the program and see genuine fun and community cohesion and not watch a gang of people worrying about their image on the outside and continually plotting tactics! I would want the people to think... "I would love to be in there!"

I know that the producers and team behind BB are very clever, they know their **** and they, more than less, know how to put a good show on. But sometimes I think that they go out of their way to get as many dubious personalitys that they think WILL NOT follow their own hearts and minds and will abide by BB's will and not make logical and humane decisions.

Apart from Craig from BB1, that is.

[setanta]

I agree with everything you have said but unfortunately this show has turned on it's head and become a monster of its own creation. what started off as a social experiment rapidly grew into a quick fame conveyor belt and of course that draws with it a more greedy, vacous mob of people. it's become a monster really, thats starved of any really wholesome and true individuals, and i put the blame partially on the show itself but mostly on society as a whole. we craved more bedlum and chaos in these confined quartars and we created the freak show it's become. we fed the monster and now i think it's gasping for breath, nearly at its end. i believe that it's a reflection now on the society that created it..... but sure shouldn't all art do that? isn't that its function? not that they intentionally drew a mirror up to our faces lol. they were just chasing viewing figures.

[Shaun_Wrantz]

It's not art dude,There's an art to it , but it's far from art mate.

And there is a difference.

There's a good measure of Politics in it and the fine line between art and politics is sometimes jagged and fine, but either way, I agree with you points, however, no matter how much I look into this show, it is not art.

Now, maybe it's first inception, maybe then it could be seen as a form of art, creation and self expression, however to further agree with your point, its gone beyond that and its turned into a flea circus.

[setanta]

i wasn't suggesting for one moment that they have created an aesthetically pleasing show..... i just believe that it's become more than the sum of it's parts and highlighted a bankruptcy of spirit and values in our own society and, as such it does give us a view into the culture we have formed. whether you like it or not, it's a part of our common language and, for the more observant viewer, it does paint a graphic picture of our times. and actually you were the first to draw comparisons between art and the show by introducing shakespeare to our conversation, so don't have a pop at me for trying to define it on the same grounds.