[Shasown]

Originally Posted by iRyan

Of course I don't think people are like 'oh, shes black, lets evict her!' but I think they subconsciously are without really realizing it.

And no, I don't think there were good reasons at all for voting off those people, especially considering the people they are up against such as John James.

Could you do us all in the merry little land of the UK a minor little favour Ryan, and not judge us till you have some experience of us and know what you are talking about.

One other little consideration perhaps before you start slagging off the nationals of another country, you make sure your own country is without imperfections.

Go to somewhere like Birmingham, Alabama and try a mixed relationship, or go to lets say Northern California and look for the complete integration of the Mexicans into the area. Aint going to happen is it?

[fuzzylovin]

If were been racist, why not also be homophobic and get mario out too yay!.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Could you do us all in the merry little land of the UK a minor little favour Ryan, and not judge us till you have some experience of us and know what you are talking about.

One other little consideration perhaps before you start slagging off the nationals of another country, you make sure your own country is without imperfections.

Go to somewhere like Birmingham, Alabama and try a mixed relationship, or go to lets say Northern California and look for the complete integration of the Mexicans into the area. Aint going to happen is it?

I agree, you have to be in the place to really be able to judge it. To be honest, from media portrayal, for me, the UK was pretty modern when it comes to race integration.

But, as a witness of both, I think its night and day, if you compare the US, and the UK. Granted, the US is a lot bigger, but in general, I think they have made a lot more progress than the people in the UK has.

And one important attribute, is you can actually have racial debates there, and TV shows, and things like that, were people are pretty oppen to talking about their prejudices. Thats were progress is made.

Eerily in the UK, its all silent. And thats where the problem is mainly. Its not acknowledged, quickly dismissed, and not given a second thought!

The difference in the US is they dont dismiss it! And they dont deny it.

[InOne]

Maybe they should just put better black people in BB...

[Part-timer]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Govan was a much better housemate than most of those drying paintings in there. He was capable of some industrial strength stirring and bitching.

Yes that is a good point. I can't argue with that.
But after 3 days he was crying and sobbing in the diary room cause he was upset about his sexuality and didn't want his brother or his grandmother finding out he was potentially gay or straight or niether or both or whatever he was.
The house needs stronger characters than that.

Awfull excuse for a housemate.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I agree, you have to be in the place to really be able to judge it. To be honest, from media portrayal, for me, the UK was pretty modern when it comes to race integration.

But, as a witness of both, I think its night and day, if you compare the US, and the UK. Granted, the US is a lot bigger, but in general, I think they have made a lot more progress than the people in the UK has.

And one important attribute, is you can actually have racial debates there, and TV shows, and things like that, were people are pretty oppen to talking about their prejudices. Thats were progress is made.

Eerily in the UK, its all silent. And thats where the problem is mainly. Its not acknowledged, quickly dismissed, and not given a second thought!

The difference in the US is they dont dismiss it! And they dont deny it.

I think that point is slightly ridiculous given how PC this country is, We don't dismiss or deny racism, in fact we're so overly cautious about it that we accuse ourselves of racism when BB has an all white final.

I've agreed with pretty much everything you said in this topic until that, the problem isn't that we're dismissive of it it's that we're oversensitive to it. The point about the US being more open to debate about it is true though.

[Bluerang1]

Those of you saying Ife is bad are real racists. What did she do wrong? Oh so she doesn't want to hang out with the white gay girls so the whole nation turns on her? Gosh I hate you people sometimes. Out of the 5, only Govan needed to be kicked out, first week and all.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think that point is slightly ridiculous given how PC this country is, We don't dismiss or deny racism, in fact we're so overly cautious about it that we accuse ourselves of racism when BB has an all white final.

I've agreed with pretty much everything you said in this topic until that, the problem isn't that we're dismissive of it it's that we're oversensitive to it. The point about the US being more open to debate about it is true though.

OK! I never thought abut it that way!
That actually makes sense.
People do get very PC around here, but I just dont see why they get so defensive, when you open up a racial dialogue. Especially, in some anonymous situations, like forums, or BB fans/voters!

Either way, maybe the PC thing does play a role.

[Vicky.]

The real problem with the UK, is that people are overly PC.

And also that people appear to LOOK for racism. People who do this are racist themselves.

As for the big brother point, I think it is more a case of the producers continually putting in unlikeable black characters(mostly women) to play to a stereotype. Pretty much the same as the way they insist on putting really camp gay men in. And butch lesbians.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

I'm surprised at how many people are blind to this, it kind of proves my point.

its Down to peoples Faults
Not there Color

[RifRaf]

only way a black person is gonna win big brother is if they are adopted by a white family and raised as white like brian belo, or just go in there and act white, like........brian belo

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by RifRaf

only way a black person is gonna win big brother is if they are adopted by a white family and raised as white like brian belo, or just go in there and act white, like........brian belo

Did you join to just for this thread or to chat BB in general?

[RifRaf]

no... I joined to start my own thread

You can read it here http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=155646

[tremault]

in regards to the title and the very first post,
I had not even noticed wether anyone in the house now or in the past was of any particular race.

it is this thread that is racist, not britain.

[yousoboo!]

trolls using race to post

[reece(:]

People voting out Jo, stopped her from starting to become the real cougar she seemed furious on today's HLs.

[cassieparis]

Its Black females but you will never get a majority agreeing with you. It makes people very very uncomfortable and you will be attacked for highlighting the collective subconscious dismissal of black women on this show. The statistics support your theory. The only black females to survive eviction were in BB6 when everyone was up and some how Lesley was fried. Other than that series they have always gone as soon as they are up. FACT: labelled as boring immoral over flirtatious liars smelly dirty fat mad bad etc. However the uncomfortable will comfort themselves with "but is simply coincidence" 11 years and multiple incidents of coincidence.. The majority of voters and viewers are white females they will vote based on their desire. You know it I know it we all know it.... that people will focus on what they desire and dismiss what they don't. I am ok with shallow we don't all get our self worth from our fantasy. The Lesleys of this world and black women are not what they want to see and fantasize about being or being with.

[Jords]

Corin is orange x

[mike888]

There's a thread on here posted by Vicky about insulting other forum members

I desperately try to abide by it but you really are pushing the bounderies with this load of crap!!!!

[mike888]

Originally Posted by Jords

Corin is orange x

[housemate]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

Rachael, Ife, Rachel and Jo had no reason to be eviction.

What?? .. Ife drove me crazy with her constant opinions, she was a nice enough girl but she talked/interferred for England ... then Jo came in! I thought Ife had been reincarnated because Jo did the same, she never once used 5 words when 500 would do!! Rachel 2 went a bit nutty with regard Ben, I thought she was quite nasty about him .I reasoned that she must have watched him for weeks schmoozing with everyone, I concluded from that, that she had contrived the entire 'Hurt' act. Come to think of it, she also talked at a million miles an hour and got involved in other peoples business ... you can accuse me of being biased against big mouthed nosey buggers if you want, but not colour! I would happily have (and I HAVE in past shows) voted out anyone who suffers from verbal diarrhoea as all three of these ladies definatly did!
I thought it was a real shame Rachel 1 went out, she didn't have enough time to show us what she was like .. having said that, it could easily have been anyone of them going in the first week. I don't think her skin tone had one single thing to do with it!!

[Sammi_Who]

Yah, it was obviously a race thing. Not anything to do with the personalities involved

Although i did like Jo, but she didnt deliver. I was screaming for Dave to go and wish he did. But wether i like it or not, he has done something in his time there and Jo didnt.

[The Truth Is Out There!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think that point is slightly ridiculous given how PC this country is, We don't dismiss or deny racism, in fact we're so overly cautious about it that we accuse ourselves of racism when BB has an all white final.

I've agreed with pretty much everything you said in this topic until that, the problem isn't that we're dismissive of it it's that we're oversensitive to it. The point about the US being more open to debate about it is true though.

Tell that to the KKK and other groups we don't have here!

[Kaaarenn!]

I really don't think that's the case, that's going a bit far. I'd have never even realised that every time a black person was up for eviction, they got evicted. I don't think it's got anything to do with the colour of their skin at all.

[EzzaB]

Originally Posted by chuckyegg

everyone gets evicted.....everyone!!....regardless of thier race gender or sexuality....or star sign.

lol! Xd