[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

All true ,she loads the gun for others to fire the bullets

Thanks for thinking Ashleigh has so much power that she can manipulate mature, grown men into doing her bidding. Wow, she's even better than I thought.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by jet

Thanks for thinking Ashleigh has so much power that she can manipulate mature, grown men into doing her bidding. Wow, she's even better than I thought.

we obviously don't give Ashleigh enough credit

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Thanks for thinking Ashleigh has so much power that she can manipulate mature, grown men into doing her bidding. Wow, she's even better than I thought.

Naaah she's just a sly sneaky bitch

[bots]

Originally Posted by jet

Thanks for thinking Ashleigh has so much power that she can manipulate mature, grown men into doing her bidding. Wow, she's even better than I thought.

haa haa, yes, one thing we have seen is that Ashleigh is very persuasive - not criticising her for that at all, but her evil plans are something else

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Naaah she's just a sly sneaky bitch

Chris must be a right numpty if he's so easily manipulated. You do him a disservice. There is no evidence whatsoever that Ashleigh was sly, he's an intelligent man who did what he did himself.

[erinp5]

5.40pm: Helen says she doesn't like the way Ashleigh speaks to Chris

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by erinp5

5.40pm: Helen says she doesn't like the way Ashleigh speaks to Chris

Oh dear Helen is being rather hypocritical lately. She speaks to almost everyone like utter crap. Last night she even told Pav to "shut up".

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by erinp5

5.40pm: Helen says she doesn't like the way Ashleigh speaks to Chris

Glad she's seen it too

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Oh dear Helen is being rather hypocritical lately. She speaks to almost everyone like utter crap. Last night she even told Pav to "shut up".

Her hypocrisy is stunning.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Totally agree,she has had so much negativity thrown at her,I think she's coped really well, Helen would be a well worthy winner but we all know that doesn't always happen,I guess were're due another Sophie Reade.

I can't get to grips with this when you wanted Sam to win last year.. At least Sophie actually spoke

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by erinp5

5.40pm: Helen says she doesn't like the way Ashleigh speaks to Chris

Let's see if people call out the hypocrisy... Oh no wait, they won't, because Helen's been on a 'journey'

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by erinp5

5.40pm: Helen says she doesn't like the way Ashleigh speaks to Chris

[emptynest]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Helen is stupid, yes they were talking about her behind her back but they actually said some nice/fair things in with what their issues were.

Yes I agree, helen got the wrong end of the stick, they were saying nice things

[Babschap]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

No doubt Helen will still be viewed as the badguy in this too

Yep because she ltwisted what they said.

[Absorption]

No-one wants Helen to be hated more than Helen herself.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Absorption

No-one wants Helen to be hated more than Helen herself.

No ,only idiots 'hate' someone they don't even know

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

No doubt Helen will still be viewed as the badguy in this too

And what it wrong with that?

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No ,only idiots 'hate' someone they don't even know

So does that apply to all the Ashleigh haters too?

[Absorption]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No ,only idiots 'hate' someone they don't even know

My point was that Helen is intent on seeing people's view of her in the worst possible light.

As for people hating someone they don't know, yes, you're right. However, that's nothing to do with what I posted.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Achilles

So does that apply to all the Ashleigh haters too?

Yes indeed. It seems that is ok to hate Ashleigh, Chris, ...but oooh noo, if you hate Pav...Ash.....you must be a real hater. According to certain persons on this forum.

[Toy Soldier]

They were, in a strange sort of way, being nice about her. They were saying that, even though she is (let's face it) abrasive as ****, and they have had some serious run-ins with her, and have hated her for a huge chunk of the show... despite all of that... they still can't help but like her. They DO want to be her friend, even though she's the sort of person that they never imagined they could be friends with.

But... Helen's a bit of a wounded dog really. I don't think she was deliberately twisting it to be all negative... I think her life (and her mind) is so full of negativity that she can only HEAR the negative. She's EXPECTING negativity, and latches onto it. And the reason she's so angry about it is because her feelings have been hurt; because despite herself, she does actually want people to like her.

It's a bit of a shame, really. She could have focused on the positives... or even asked them there and then to explain what they meant. Not angrily; just honestly... she could have told them that she overheard and that it didn't feel good because they had been getting on, and I personally think they would have elaborated and explained that they DO like her, and it would have been more or less fine. Helen can't do that because she's afraid of showing weakness... which, ironically, is her major weakness.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Achilles

So does that apply to all the Ashleigh haters too?

I don't know as I am not silly enough to 'Hate' any of the housemates

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Absorption

My point was that Helen is intent on seeing people's view of her in the worst possible light.

As for people hating someone they don't know, yes, you're right. However, that's nothing to do with what I posted.

I think Helen has probably always had a lot of negativity around her ,and , just expects bad stuff.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They were, in a strange sort of way, being nice about her. They were saying that, even though she is (let's face it) abrasive as ****, and they have had some serious run-ins with her, and have hated her for a huge chunk of the show... despite all of that... they still can't help but like her. They DO want to be her friend, even though she's the sort of person that they never imagined they could be friends with.

But... Helen's a bit of a wounded dog really. I don't think she was deliberately twisting it to be all negative... I think her life (and her mind) is so full of negativity that she can only HEAR the negative. She's EXPECTING negativity, and latches onto it. And the reason she's so angry about it is because her feelings have been hurt; because despite herself, she does actually want people to like her.

It's a bit of a shame, really. She could have focused on the positives... or even asked them there and then to explain what they meant. Not angrily; just honestly... she could have told them that she overheard and that it didn't feel good because they had been getting on, and I personally think they would have elaborated and explained that they DO like her, and it would have been more or less fine. Helen can't do that because she's afraid of showing weakness... which, ironically, is her major weakness.

I have come to like her Toy Soldier,I see her exactly as you outline in your 2nd paragraph.
I really have to say what a great and revealing post from you as so many of yours are.

A very thought provoking post indeed.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Babschap

Yep because she ltwisted what they said.

I don't think she twisted it intentionally though. I actually think she IS that stupid to have heard what they said but not be able to understand it. She heard what they said clearly, but due to her limited intelligence she was unable to grasp the (let's be honest) pretty f#$*ing obvious meaning of what they were saying.

When one accepts that Helen basically lacks any real critical thinking skills, the rest of her appalling behaviour becomes almost understandable. She needs to be out of the house, as there are far more important issues for her to deal with in her train-wreck of a life.