[JoshBB]

My personal opinion is that no religion should be given priority and that the spiritual lords should not have places based purely on religion. Thoughts? Discuss below and there's a poll too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes its a natural progression

Also get it right out of schools. Pupils should be taught that no gods exist and that religion flourishes with ignorance and dies with education.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes its a natural progression

Also get it right out of schools. Pupils should be taught that no gods exist and that religion flourishes with ignorance and dies with education.

I don't think we can disprove/prove a God, so surely it would be better to simply teach that some believe that a God exists and some believe there is no God.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes its a natural progression

Also get it right out of schools. Pupils should be taught that no gods exist and that religion flourishes with ignorance and dies with education.

OK. I'll agree, if we start right out with err.... Let me ponder.... Oh, yeah, I've got it.... Islam!

Yeah. Let's ban that from being taught in UK schools, and let's close all Mosques first before we start on Christianity and Judaism and the other religions.

So who's going to be first then in starting a public campaign to achieve this? Josh or LT?

Somehow, I think if anything remotely similar to this stupid neo-Nazi proposition is ever tried, the first and only targets would be Christianity and Judaism, because they are perceived as having moderate followers so represent soft targets. That would be a HUGE error of judgement.

[Livia]

Everyone has a right to follow their own faith. However, I believe the way forward is to have a more secular society. I believe that religion should be taught in schools, but it should be a broad overview of religions. If you want to study your own religion you should do it in your own time.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

OK. I'll agree, if we start right out with err.... Let me ponder.... Oh, yeah, I've got it.... Islam!

Yeah. Let's ban that from being taught in UK schools, and let's close all Mosques first before we start on Christianity and Judaism and the other religions.

So who's going to be first then in starting a public campaign to achieve this? Josh or LT?

Somehow, I think if anything remotely similar to this stupid neo-Nazi proposition is ever tried, the first and only targets would be Christianity and Judaism, because they are perceived as having moderate followers so represent soft targets. That would be a HUGE error of judgement.

I am not in favour of banning religion being taught in schools, as long as they state that there is actually no proper evidence for the religion (none can be proven). If there was an islamic established church I would want that disestablished the same way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I don't think we can disprove/prove a God, so surely it would be better to simply teach that some believe that a God exists and some believe there is no God.

By the same argument you may as well include the loch ness monster, the giant galaxy turtle and betty the spotted goat god from Venus.

All cant be proved or disproved

I am afraid that is not a valid argument

[Crimson Dynamo]

No children should be allowed in mosques or churches. If you want to go and learn or follow a religion it should be adults only. Let a kid get to 18 and make his or her own mind up.

If this happened religion would rapidly die out, especially Islam

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

By the same argument you may as well include the loch ness monster, the giant galaxy turtle and betty the spotted goat god from Venus.

All cant be proved or disproved

I am afraid that is not a valid argument

I agree that it is not a valid argument if you are using it to try and suggest a God exists, but since we cannot outright disprove these things exist I think it would be unfair to suggest as such. I would be outraged in that situation. When we have 100% evidence that no gods exist, I am then in favour of removing religion from schools altogether. Teaching a known lie seems utterly pointless to me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

By the same argument you may as well include the loch ness monster, the giant galaxy turtle and betty the spotted goat god from Venus.

All cant be proved or disproved

I am afraid that is not a valid argument

You can't stop people believing in something because you don't believe in it, Trumpet. There are lots of things that can't be proven by science, the existence of God is just one of them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I agree that it is not a valid argument if you are using it to try and suggest a God exists, but since we cannot outright disprove these things exist I think it would be unfair to suggest as such. I would be outraged in that situation. When we have 100% evidence that no gods exist, I am then in favour of removing religion from schools altogether. Teaching a known lie seems utterly pointless to me.

Like all fables it should be taught as such. Do gods exist? - no they do not. Are faeries real? No. Do mediums speak to the dead? No. What happens when we die? We rot away. Is there life after death? No. Astrology? Bollocks. Ghosts? Bollocks. Is Kirk too fond of betting? Yes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

You can't stop people believing in something because you don't believe in it, Trumpet. There are lots of things that can't be proven by science, the existence of God is just one of them.

We teach children the best knowledge we have available today and not hearsay from a book 2000 years old from a part of the world that if they told us tomorrow was Wednesday we would check the calendar.

If they wish to believe it when they are adults fine, like star trek, but children should be shielded from religion at all costs.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I am not in favour of banning religion being taught in schools, as long as they state that there is actually no proper evidence for the religion (none can be proven). If there was an islamic established church I would want that disestablished the same way.

We cannot prove or disprove a host of other theories which are taught in schools as fact including Evolution.

Heinrich Schliemann did not discover Troy or Agamemnon's treasure - he actually excavated way below the ruins of Troy and planted the treasure, but such fallacies are still being taught in schools and even universities.

And Islamic 'churches' Josh are Mosques and there are thousands of them in the UK.

I personally do not care if Christianity is not taught in schools as part of the curriculum, but I am quite certain that millions of other Christians do care.

What I do care about - very deeply - is that Christianity is not removed from school curriculum exclusively and for the wrong B.S. P.C. reasons.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We teach children the best knowledge we have available today and not hearsay from a book 2000 years old from a part of the world that if they told us tomorrow was Wednesday we would check the calendar.

If they wish to believe it when they are adults fine, like star trek, but children should be shielded from religion at all costs.

How can you know that you don't believe in something unless you know about it? I'm not saying give kids a religious education, I'm saying educate them about religion.

And my book's 5000 years old, incidentally.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

How can you know that you don't believe in something unless you know about it? I'm not saying give kids a religious education, I'm saying educate them about religion.

And my book's 5000 years old, incidentally.

And my book.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And my book.

Aren't you a Christian, Kirk? Or are you alluding to the fact that Jesus said he supports the laws of Moses?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Like all fables it should be taught as such. Do gods exist? - no they do not. Are faeries real? No. Do mediums speak to the dead? No. What happens when we die? We rot away. Is there life after death? No. Astrology? Bollocks. Ghosts? Bollocks. Is Kirk too fond of betting? Yes.

[MTVN]

If all mention of religion in schools was abolished then kids are going to grow up with massive gaps in their knowledge when it comes to history, society, current affairs etc. I don't think it's something you can completely separate from education

On topic I have no issue with the current relationship between Church and state

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If all mention of religion in schools was abolished then kids are going to grow up with massive gaps in their knowledge when it comes to history, society, current affairs etc. I don't think it's something you can completely separate from education

On topic I have no issue with the current relationship between Church and state

Its quite easy to cover religion in a couple of lessons just as we cover all sorts of things. If we did keep it out of schools perhaps in a few generations we would not need to cover it and more time could be spent on science and cosmology.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If all mention of religion in schools was abolished then kids are going to grow up with massive gaps in their knowledge when it comes to history, society, current affairs etc. I don't think it's something you can completely separate from education

On topic I have no issue with the current relationship between Church and state

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

How can you know that you don't believe in something unless you know about it? I'm not saying give kids a religious education, I'm saying educate them about religion.

And my book's 5000 years old, incidentally.

Yes, it can be taught in history no problem and if the pupil says "sir is god real?" he can say "which one and NO"

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its quite easy to cover religion in a couple of lessons just as we cover all sorts of things. If we did keep it out of schools perhaps in a few generations we would not need to cover it and more time could be spent on science and cosmology.

A couple of lessons? I think it'd take way longer than that to cover religion

[Crimson Dynamo]

Religion is very dangerous

Just look at the latest crap to come from the boss of the catholics (you know the pope that everyone is falling over themselves to say is a good pope)

http://time.com/3674155/pope-francis...bbits-comment/

6 millions turned up to hear his bronze age views in the Philippines

"The Philippine’s Catholic hierarchy has fought long and hard to restrict access to prophylactics. Over the last few decades as most countries embraced family planning, the Philippines has moved in the opposite direction, discouraging the use of contraception and prohibiting abortion under any circumstance. They cast condom use as anti-Catholic and anti-Filipino, insisting that couples ought to use “natural methods.”


sickening

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, it can be taught in history no problem and if the pupil says "sir is god real?" he can say "which one and NO"

But religion is on-going
And how could he say no when there is no proof? He would simply have to say "It's up to you if God is real or not" because it is up to the individual and what they believe

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dollface

A couple of lessons? I think it'd take way longer than that to cover religion

why?

You cover why people believe and set it in historical context and then cover the main cults.