[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There are failings everywhere, due to lack of resources, funding and staffing health and social care is in crisis across the country is in crisis, if you think Tower Hamlets is an isolated area you're sadly mistaken.
It's an area of high socio economic deprivation and crime, they are stretched to breaking point.

The bacon silliness was the whole premise of the article though, the lies in the article that they were a no English speaking family is rubbish, that begs the question what else have they lied about? They know that Tower Hamlets hands are tied due to this being an open case. It is interesting the a judge only placed the child back with the family after intervention from the times, MP Phillip Hollobone and none other than the chairman of the Commons education committee Robert Halfon....very odd imo.

Actually someone interviewed from the council said they have funds for fostering but a severe shortage of foster carers, so it is not about financial resources being stretched in this instance, it's very easy to fall back on ...lack of funding, blah blah when it might come down to someone doing their job very badly?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Actually someone interviewed from the council said they have funds for fostering but a severe shortage of foster carers, so it is not about financial resources being stretched in this instance, it's very easy to fall back on ...lack of funding, blah blah when it might come down to someone doing their job very badly?

That's usually the case, sadly. Looking after kids is hard work, even your own kids, even well adjusted kids. Which means that looking after someone else's child who is likely to have some trauma and behavioural issues is an even tougher job... And not one that you even get to clock out of at the end of the day. That's why being a foster carer pays so well... Fostering 2 children is the equivalent of nearly a £70k salary, plus you get an extra chunk on your tax free allowance so take home pay is even better. Plus if it's a couple, one person can still work full time on top of that... The household could easily be bringing home the equivalent of a six-figure salary.

And even then they struggle to have enough good foster homes. I think that shows just how difficult a job it is. Even with huge financial incentives, not enough people are choosing to do it.

And of course a small number of people who choose to do it ARE in it with pound signs in their eyes... Like I said before, passing all of the disclosures and criminal record checks doesn't automatically mean someone is a good or caring person. This usually happens with teens in my experience.

Young kids are constant hard work, but you get just as much for fostering a 14 year old. Give them a bedroom stocked with a huge TV, Internet, games consoles, a mini fridge... and tell them they can have people round so long as they stay in there, or let them go out and do whatever they want... And it's a pay cheque for a teen you'll hardly ever even see. Sadly it's also a kid who could do with some positive attention and motivation being ignored, again, and at 16 they're out on their arse and often on the way to a substance abuse problem.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think you have racism stuck in your headlights and you aren't looking at the situation with common sense. If you think about the confusion of any child in this situation you see what most people are saying.

It seems to me that the biggest issue for this particular child is a familiarity issue, out of her comfort zone anyway, away from family, then put with people who have very different beliefs, eating habits, perhaps speaking a foreign language in the home. No matter how well intentioned they might be, this is a five year old and it's probably more than she should have to handle all at once.

this is all true

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Muslim foster carers told Christian girl, five, that Christmas and Easter are stupid and European women are alcoholics after taking away her crucifix and stopping her from eating bacon"

But also, they don't speak English .


Sooo. OK in general, I would say that vulnerable and already confused kids going into foster care should be placed with a family that is a good match for them... that much is common sense. So placing a child of one (or no) religion with a family that is going to enforce a different religion is an obvious massive error.

That aside, however, I suspect that this article is rather exaggerated?

typical. the left always choose to ignore all stories that dont fit or suit their narrow liberal agenda....every single argument they simply blame the daily mail, just so pathetic

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Actually someone interviewed from the council said they have funds for fostering but a severe shortage of foster carers, so it is not about financial resources being stretched in this instance, it's very easy to fall back on ...lack of funding, blah blah when it might come down to someone doing their job very badly?

Should that be the case blah blah, then where is that conversation I'd like to see it. There are no funding/staffing issues in social care?

Again I would like to remind people that the article is slanted and one sided, we have nothing in way of proof that the foster family did not do their job properly or that the social workers involved did not do theirs.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Should that be the case blah blah, why then is a shortage of foster carers given as an example of someone not doing their job blah?

Labour think everything is about money, they are so mercenary. Yet they throw money around like confetti. They also do a disastrous job running councils, always over nudget, always wasteful, always dreadful communication, always giving too many contracts to firms who havent got the capacity, so much nepotism and favouritism and waste and corruption. Yet they have the temerity to preach about needing more money. Labour are a bunch of hypocrites. Oh but of course they claim the last 20 years wasnt them, it was new labour, very convenient. They havent changed. Theve destroyed this country with their illegal wars, their spin, their bankrupt economy, their champagn cocialism, theire deregulation of the banks, their selling the gold off cheap, their endless petty laws and nanny state breed for benefits culture and rising debts and unemployment. not to forget massive population rises, absurd levels of political correctness leading to 20,000 children being abused in rotherham but the police too scared to report these abusers as the majority were of asian descent and the cops wer scared be caled racist by the pc brigade and the filthiest hospitals with the worst mrsa in the western world

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

typical. the left always choose to ignore all stories that dont fit or suit their narrow liberal agenda....every single argument they simply blame the daily mail, just so pathetic

Congratulations on clearly not reading past the first few posts of the thread .

[Kizzy]

The mother of a five-year-old English-speaking girl who was reportedly distressed at being placed in a foster home with a Muslim couple was born into the Islamic faith, court documents have revealed.

A court order from judge Khatun Sapnara states the girl's maternal grandparents are "of a Muslim background but are non practising."
It also revealed she had been taken away from her mother in March this year by police.

The girl could end up living abroad with the grandmother, who wants to move to her country of origin,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7921431.html

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The mother of a five-year-old English-speaking girl who was reportedly distressed at being placed in a foster home with a Muslim couple was born into the Islamic faith, court documents have revealed.

A court order from judge Khatun Sapnara states the girl's maternal grandparents are "of a Muslim background but are non practising."
It also revealed she had been taken away from her mother in March this year by police.

The girl could end up living abroad with the grandmother, who wants to move to her country of origin,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7921431.html

There you go, never the full story

[jaxie]

I don't think the statement that the child's mother was born into the Muslim faith makes much sense or that much difference to the discussion we've had in this thread. You aren't born into a faith, you are taught one and in this case Islam clearly wasn't what this child had been taught.

It seems rather like saying my mother was born believing in fairies so this must bear some reflection on me too and yet she'd never told me anything about the fairies she came out of the womb believing in. Sounds a bit daft doesn't it?

If one set of grandparents were non practising Muslims that seems kind of irrelevant since they were non practising.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think the statement that the child's mother was born into the Muslim faith makes much sense or that much difference to the discussion we've had in this thread. You aren't born into a faith, you are taught one and in this case Islam clearly wasn't what this child had been taught.

It seems rather like saying my mother was born believing in fairies so this must bear some reflection on me too and yet she'd never told me anything about the fairies she came out of the womb believing in. Sounds a bit daft doesn't it?

If one set of grandparents were non practising Muslims that seems kind of irrelevant since they were non practising.

My thoughts too. As non-practicing Muslims they may have been more aware of the damage religious indoctrination can do and worried that their daughter/granddaughter may have been exposed to such beliefs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

My thoughts too. As non-practicing Muslims they may have been more aware of the damage religious indoctrination can do and worried that their daughter/granddaughter may have been exposed to such beliefs.

And what is wrong with Muslim beliefs? As opposed to being raised with Christian beliefs..

Are you mistaking ordinary peaceful people for extremists again?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And what is wrong with Muslim beliefs? As opposed to being raised with Christian beliefs..

Are you mistaking ordinary peaceful people for extremists again?

Maybe as non-practising Muslims the grandparents had a better understanding of some Muslim beliefs than non-Muslims.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe as non-practising Muslims the grandparents had a better understanding of some Muslim beliefs than non-Muslims.

And?... all religions have their specific dogmas that are considered out of touch, have you hard the recent mumblings of ghoul mogg and his 'conservative' ( extremist) catholic views?