[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a fair prediction. The current government is flailing and despite the desperation of the right, Corbyn is only getting more support. If an election was called as things stand, Labour would easily get the majority, I think.

Absolutely.

Labour would more than likely take those few more seats, at the very least, they need to drag the Cons under 300 seats.

That would,with the universal anti Con vote of other Parties,aside from the extremist DUP, ensure not a hope of the Cons remaining in power.

Corbyn has turned out not to be the joke which the PM,the Cons and their hardline supporters took him for.
This election past in June,in fact cemented him as a formidable opponent on the campaign trail.

Something they hate and the more they demonstrate that hate,the more support they help bring to him and Labour.

[bots]

Lets look at Theresa, she thought she was going to win the last election easily .... what happened.

Lets look at Neil Kinnock, he had concerts celebrating his win before the election .... what happened.

Anyone that assumes they have won is asking for a long fall.

[joeysteele]

Jeremy Corbyn hasn't said he'd 'certainly' win it,he said probably.
Theresa May did do just enough to ensure being able to hold onto power.
Her expectation of a far greater win was dashed admittedly.

Neil Kinnock never had Labour decisively ahead, also John Major, came out a pretty good campaigner in 1992.

Confidence however does come through at times too.
Blair knew he'd win in 1997,2001 and 2005 and did so.
This govt. looks a fair bit like the last Major led one.

A lot going wrong,hard issues ahead,scandals and a leader being tolerated rather than strongly supported as Mrs May is just being tolerated.

The last election showed a split between seeing how things go as to the status quo,and the change offered from Corbyn's Labour.

The first real defining opposite choices for decades as to the main 2 parties.
It appears as newer voters come to the age they can vote,that more of them want the change, not the status quo.
I can see why Corbyn can feel he can see he can be PM in an election coming early with a probable,not certain Labour win.
He still shows caution in his hopes.

[bots]

He comes across as a superior, arrogant so and so to me Joey, but we will never agree on Mr Corbyn I think

[joeysteele]

Hi

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

He comes across as a superior, arrogant so and so to me Joey, but we will never agree on Mr Corbyn I think

I think arrogance is needed at times in politics,of course all politicians who aspire to leadership of their parties or to try to become PM,also need to feel a 'service' orientated superiority.
That can be a healthy and good thing if it's tempered with fairness and elements of compassion.

He should surely never,just to have to please some,be going round saying he and Labour cannot win,shouldn't win or that he should feel or be really inferior to others around him of other Parties.

Oh,and I'm still not a great advocate of Corbyn but I do like and want his policies.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

He comes across as a superior, arrogant so and so to me Joey, but we will never agree on Mr Corbyn I think

You see it as arrogance, others see it as confidence.
Cameron also came over as arrogant to many of us but like Corbyn, he was a confident man and people are drawn to a confident leader.

May, like Cameron initially came over as as a 'one nation' leader but unlike Cameron, has gone on to show lack of courage and determination.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

He comes across as a superior, arrogant so and so to me Joey, but we will never agree on Mr Corbyn I think

What's the the alternative, the cold aloof robotic PM we have now?... the 18th century throwback mogg?.... the bumbling gob****e bojo?...... :/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You see it as arrogance, others see it as confidence.
Cameron also came over as arrogant to many of us but like Corbyn, he was a confident man and people are drawn to a confident leader.

May, like Cameron initially came over as as a 'one nation' leader but unlike Cameron, has gone on to show lack of courage and determination.

The only determination this awful woman shows is to hold onto being PM for her own prestige,not for the Nation or even for her Party.

I will always admit I'm the wrong person to say anything as to Mrs May,as I truly have strongly disliked her from coming across her in politics.
The most divisive and hopeless Home Secretary ever and in my view a disgrace to be in the position of Prime Minister too.
A position she holds simply because other contenders stood down from the challenge
With snivelling cowards who'd love the position pretending to support and admire her.

I doubt the UK has really ever, post war,been more Ill served by any PM and govt. as it is by this one.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

What's the the alternative, the cold aloof robotic PM we have now?... the 18th century throwback mogg?.... the bumbling gob****e bojo?...... :/

Biggest insult you've got for Jacob is an 18th century throwback (whatever that's supposed to be?)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The only determination this awful woman shows is to hold onto being PM for her own prestige,not for the Nation or even for her Party.

I will always admit I'm the wrong person to say anything as to Mrs May,as I truly have strongly disliked her from coming across her in politics.
The most divisive and hopeless Home Secretary ever and in my view a disgrace to be in the position of Prime Minister too.
A position she holds simply because other contenders stood down from the challenge
With snivelling cowards who'd love the position pretending to support and admire her.

I doubt the UK has really ever, post war,been more Ill served by any PM and govt. as it is by this one.

well can I introduce you to

Spoiler:

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

well can I introduce you to

Spoiler:

I'd definitely rather have Brown than May,any day of the week.
Although I would concede he's another the UK could have done without as a PM.

He at least,in my view, had more compassion than May and this lot in now.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't understand how anyone can support a government that takes so much out of the public purse.
The austerity lie that had us all believing the government had no choice but to pull its purse strings in.
The massive debt that makes New Labour's debt look like a bit of loose change.
The tax haven elites allowed to get away with murder whilst people on benefits have been continually demonized and blamed for our troubles.
The selling off our our entire social system, a social system that is now crumbling from lack of government funds and doesn't know how to work efficiently as a private enterprise.
Cut after cut to local councils.
The abandonment of the North and the utter devastation that's caused.
Shackling ourselves to American ideals so that we too can become just another small version of them. God bless America, a country that sells us Krispy Kreme, McDonalds and a whole array of **** and a country where little old ladies with dementia are dumped on the street because they don't have medical insurance and the average cost of an asthma inhaler is $100 per unit even if you are insured.

It doesn't feel like the last eight years has even affected me but it still feels like this country has been robbed and sold off. Sometimes I wish I was ignorant to what's going on but I'm not and I'm angry.

The economy is going to crash and its going to crash because of the way America is presently running its economy. We, the 'unasked and uninterested' who believe all the Tory bull are going to crash with them, we who resist this model are going down with the ship too, just like last time... but bigger and much more devastating than the last.

I just hope Corbyn doesn't get in before the crash. There is nothing he can do to stop it and we don't need our Labour Party taking responsibility for something the Tories have been drawing us all towards for the last 8 years.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Sir Alfred

Biggest insult you've got for Jacob is an 18th century throwback (whatever that's supposed to be?)

Well no I could add he's a slimy apologist for the corrupt and disgraced ex minister Mr Green too...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

Well no I could add he's a slimy apologist for the corrupt and disgraced ex minister Mr Green too...

So he's loyal then?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Sir Alfred

So he's loyal then?

Yes but unfortunately not to the general public or his constituents...just the other cronies in the old boy network.

Bent as a nine pound note, as my dad used to say.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'd definitely rather have Brown than May,any day of the week.
Although I would concede he's another the UK could have done without as a PM.

He at least,in my view, had more compassion than May and this lot in now.

C'mon now Joey ,isn't he the one that was overheard calling an old lady a bigot and for the interviewer to get rid of her,he wasn't so compassionate,I don't dislike the bloke but he was a crap PM.