[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Unlike other jobs where you're punished for a wrong procedure, a police officer's life is threatened while doing their job. All it takes is one swift move by one criminal on any given day and it could very well be the end of their life. But the way cops are being scrutinized these days for any type of force shown on the job is very questionable. In a case like George Floyd, the cop did wrong and should be punished because he just allowed George to die while he was well past getting George securely on the ground where there was no chance for escape etc.

Look at what happened with that story of the guy at the Wendy's drive thru? Two officers being very lenient and letting their guard down allowed the man to break free AND take a taser from one of them while it was TWO ON ONE. Do people not see how easy it can be for an actual criminal to get the upper hand and end up killing a cop when force isn't applied? It resulted in the man being wrongly murdered in the end during a chase but it could've all been prevented. I can't blame cops too much for showing excessive force on the job when any seemingly 'harmless person' can flip on a dime while being under the threat of arrest. If it's not an OTT cold-blooded case (like what Derek did), there is no way 'incorrect procedure' should be punished in the same way it's punished in other jobs. Also, idk about where you guys are from but when a doctor messes up on an operation it has no type of severe consequence unless it is deemed to be a reoccurred thing or something purposely done for illegal reasons. Regardless, a doctor doesn't have his life threatened at work so they should be punished more than cops for wrong procedures & mistakes at work but they are not because it is not in the public eye in the same way. It is usually not intentional in the same way cops' wrongdoings usually aren't either. It's a tough job where lives will always be lost from both cops and citizens

You make some very good points. The police have to react how they feel necessary to protect themselves and the public you cannot second guess things when you are dealing with someone who can kill you in a split second. This guy was cuffed but he was still armed. This officer did little wrong imo...restraining an armed man who was resisting...but because of the unfortunate incident with George Floyd it was uncomfortable to watch. He soon removed his knee from the side of his head when the aggressor complained. The officer was young and looked very anxious. Hopefully he will be reprimanded and retrained.
However there are bad apples in every workplace...always has been and sadly always will be...but this officer doesn’t look like one. He wasn’t smug and certainly didn’t look like he was enjoying his power...just trying to do his job.

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You make some very good points. The police have to react how they feel necessary to protect themselves and the public you cannot second guess things when you are dealing with someone who can kill you in a split second. This guy was cuffed but he was still armed. This officer did little wrong imo...restraining an armed man who was resisting...but because of the unfortunate incident with George Floyd it was uncomfortable to watch. He soon removed his knee from the side of his head when the aggressor complained. The officer was young and looked very anxious. Hopefully he will be reprimanded and retrained.
However there are bad apples in every workplace...always has been and sadly always will be...but this officer doesn’t look like one. He wasn’t smug and certainly didn’t look like he was enjoying his power...just trying to do his job.

yes how dare he not try to die

[AnnieKristmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In the UK?

how do you work that out?

Google is your friend....you know, or watch the news, read stuff.....

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You make some very good points. The police have to react how they feel necessary to protect themselves and the public you cannot second guess things when you are dealing with someone who can kill you in a split second. This guy was cuffed but he was still armed. This officer did little wrong imo...restraining an armed man who was resisting...but because of the unfortunate incident with George Floyd it was uncomfortable to watch. He soon removed his knee from the side of his head when the aggressor complained. The officer was young and looked very anxious. Hopefully he will be reprimanded and retrained.
However there are bad apples in every workplace...always has been and sadly always will be...but this officer doesn’t look like one. He wasn’t smug and certainly didn’t look like he was enjoying his power...just trying to do his job.

100% this

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You make some very good points. The police have to react how they feel necessary to protect themselves and the public you cannot second guess things when you are dealing with someone who can kill you in a split second. This guy was cuffed but he was still armed. This officer did little wrong imo...restraining an armed man who was resisting...but because of the unfortunate incident with George Floyd it was uncomfortable to watch. He soon removed his knee from the side of his head when the aggressor complained. The officer was young and looked very anxious. Hopefully he will be reprimanded and retrained.
However there are bad apples in every workplace...always has been and sadly always will be...but this officer doesn’t look like one. He wasn’t smug and certainly didn’t look like he was enjoying his power...just trying to do his job.

Again, you wrote everything absolutely perfectly

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah, maybe that cop should have been suspended or something.

It's excellent that he was and I hope this incident rubs off on all officers as a reminder to police properly.

Actions have consequences and those consequences shouldn't be lessened because of an imaginary narrative.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yeah... I really doubt it lol

Which part? That I would have created the thread, or that I can make a thread relevant (which is a bit weird, so i hope it's the first one).

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Google is your friend....you know, or watch the news, read stuff.....

you made the claim?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you are not alone...

For I am here with you?

[AnnieKristmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I reckon I'm team Capri on the general thread stuff by the whayyy. I like most y'all individually, honestly, but there is some cliquey stuff/ganging up that goes on and it just doesn't tickle my pickle.

It doesn't sit well with me either TS, but there is more than one group who like to do it....let's not make it like there's one "clique / gang" whatever you want to call it

[Liam-]

Nobody is saying they shouldn’t restrain people, it’s so dishonest to infer otherwise, there was no need whatsoever to kneel on a handcuffed persons head/neck while they’re on the floor, there was two of them, they could have restrained him if they sat on him, instead he chose to do something completely away from their training, he made that choice, he’s facing the consequences, if they think he can be trained to never do it again, give him his job back and make sure it never does, cops shouldn’t have free reign to do whatever they want whenever they want to

[AnnieKristmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you made the claim?

Lol...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Do firefighters get punished and scrutinized when a wrong procedure or mistake is made trying to save lives in a burning building? Sooome kind of punishment might occur depending what the mistake was but it is never severe and they are never scrutinized for trying to do their job in a high intensity life-threatening situation the way they saw fit.

How do you know this?

If a firefighter was at fault for the serious harm or death of a civilian, I imagine they would go through a disciplinary procedure.

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Which part? That I would have created the thread, or that I can make a thread relevant (which is a bit weird, so i hope it's the first one).

That you would have made the thread to begin with... in light of your recent thread creations

But anyway... don't get too ahead of yourself

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I reckon I'm team Capri on the general thread stuff by the whayyy. I like most y'all individually, honestly, but there is some cliquey stuff/ganging up that goes on and it just doesn't tickle my pickle.

Which bits, because I haven't seen any cliquey stuff in here? Although I haven't read the whole thread from start to finish.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How do you know this?

If a firefighter was at fault for the serious harm or death of a civilian, I imagine they would go through a disciplinary procedure.

.

Public servant jobs are so strict, they have procedures for everything because they know they have to held to a higher standard and everyone knows that when they sign up, getting mad on the behalf of someone who knows what will happen if they’re caught something they shouldn’t, literally makes zero sense

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In the UK?

how do you work that out?

Brixton riots were in 1981 LT. I know you're old enough to remember so can you remind the forum what they were over? I think Annie should change her post to 'DECADES' not 'YEARS'.

[Cherie Christmas]

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

You make some very good points. The police have to react how they feel necessary to protect themselves and the public you cannot second guess things when you are dealing with someone who can kill you in a split second. This guy was cuffed but he was still armed. This officer did little wrong imo...restraining an armed man who was resisting...but because of the unfortunate incident with George Floyd it was uncomfortable to watch. He soon removed his knee from the side of his head when the aggressor complained. The officer was young and looked very anxious. Hopefully he will be reprimanded and retrained.
However there are bad apples in every workplace...always has been and sadly always will be...but this officer doesn’t look like one. He wasn’t smug and certainly didn’t look like he was enjoying his power...just trying to do his job.

yes he looked super stressed, and you can tell he knew he had ****ed up, its bad enough trying to do a job where you are putting yourself in danger, now you have the added danger of zero respect from sections of the public who stand around mocking, goading filming or attacking.... a young officer who should be taken under the wing of his superiors not thrown aside to make the force look good, they send them out with no protective gear and in young pairs, that is a management **** up, but cover their arses by suspending him, he may be a bad apple, he may not but he is getting zero support from his employer as far as I can see if he is one of the decent ones, no one will want to join the force the way things are going for front line officers

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

That you would have made the thread to begin with... in light of your recent thread creations

But anyway... don't get too ahead of yourself

I'm touched that you searched my threads, but I've posted a lot about social justice.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Although I haven't read the whole thread from start to finish.

We're all just puppets on strings to you, aren't we?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Which bits, because I haven't seen any cliquey stuff in here? Although I haven't read the whole thread from start to finish.

Something was brought up about you, Ammi and Livia for some reason, I think that’s what is being referred to, even though you or Ammi didn’t bring it up you just defended yourselves

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yes he looked super stressed, and you can tell he knew he had ****ed up, its bad enough trying to do a job where you are putting yourself in danger, now you have the added danger of zero respect from sections of the public who stand around mocking, goading filming or attacking.... a young officer who should be taken under the wing of his superiors not thrown aside to make the force look good, they send them out with no protective gear and in young pairs, that is a management **** up, but cover their arses by suspending him, he may be a bad apple, he may not but he is getting zero support from his employer as far as I can see if he is one of the decent one, no one will want to join the force the way things are going for front line officers

Yeah this & tbf I don't even think this would be seen as such an awful action again if the George Floyd incident never happened and people were not so paranoid about it...

In all honestly I think it's really wrong to "suspend" him because again this would never have happened a while ago but now unfortunately people are looking for reasons...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You make some very good points. The police have to react how they feel necessary to protect themselves and the public you cannot second guess things when you are dealing with someone who can kill you in a split second. This guy was cuffed but he was still armed. This officer did little wrong imo...restraining an armed man who was resisting...but because of the unfortunate incident with George Floyd it was uncomfortable to watch. He soon removed his knee from the side of his head when the aggressor complained. The officer was young and looked very anxious. Hopefully he will be reprimanded and retrained.
However there are bad apples in every workplace...always has been and sadly always will be...but this officer doesn’t look like one. He wasn’t smug and certainly didn’t look like he was enjoying his power...just trying to do his job.

The whole bad apple argument falls flat when the same people who defend the police by saying 'it's only a few bad apples' will have painted the BLM movement as violent because of rioters taking advantage of the cause.

He did the job badly and whether that's the result of bad training, inexperience or malicious intent is yet to be seen.

Again, relying on imaginary scenarios is pointless, especially when you're trying to overwrite what happened with what didn't. The man was on the floor and cuffed and there's more than one officer there. He shouldn't have put his knee anywhere near the man's neck or head in the first place. The whole argument that it was necessary to detain the suspect is bull**** too, police officers take down and arrest threats day in and day out without breaching protocol like that. We shouldn't defend incompetence, we should highlight it so that the police improves upon it.

If that police officer returns to duty, I can only hope that he has learned his lesson and that we don't see a repeat of this in the future.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We're all just puppets on strings to you, aren't we?

If I only had half the power that people think I have

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm touched that you searched my threads, but I've posted a lot about social justice.

I've only seen one thread you created without searching anything and I guarantee you that was more than enough