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Marsh. · 19-07-2020, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by caprimint

Yeah this & tbf I don't even think this would be seen as such an awful action again if the George Floyd incident never happened and people were not so paranoid about it...

In all honestly I think it's really wrong to "suspend" him because again this would never have happened a while ago but now unfortunately people are looking for reasons...

A life threatening action wouldn't be seen as a life threatening action if someone's life hadn't been threatened by it?

Peppermint · 19-07-2020, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Something was brought up about you, Ammi and Livia for some reason, I think that’s what is being referred to, even though you or Ammi didn’t bring it up you just defended yourselves

Wot? Who said anything about Ammi other than the fact she replied lmao???

I brought up Livia but who cares? When its something relevant then I don't see the problem? Hence the George Floyd case in a bunch of these threads.

The Slim Reaper · 19-07-2020, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by caprimint

I've only seen one thread you created without searching anything and I guarantee you that was more than enough

Tbf, that is something I can agree with you on.

Peppermint · 19-07-2020, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

A life threatening action wouldn't be seen as a life threatening action if someone's life hadn't been threatened by it?

Sure, so the man with the knife should stop threatening people's lives to begin with.

Tom4784 · 19-07-2020, 06:26 PM

Again, the situation isn't relevant. The protocol remains the same and that protocol was broken. That's the ****ing point.

The Slim Reaper · 19-07-2020, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by caprimint

Wot? Who said anything about Ammi other than the fact she replied lmao???

I brought up Livia but who cares? When its something relevant then I don't see the problem? Hence the George Floyd case in a bunch of these threads.

It wasn't relevant to anything, that was the point.

Marsh. · 19-07-2020, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by caprimint

Sure, so the man with the knife should stop threatening people's lives to begin with.

Right.... not sure anybody defended the criminal's right to be a criminal.

Doesn't really have anything to do with an officer going against procedure.

Do you believe the police should do what they want because criminals are criminals and it doesn't matter? A slippery road but ok.

Peppermint · 19-07-2020, 06:29 PM

No Dezzy. The thread would not have even been created/relevant if the man didn't stroll around the streets of London with a knife to begin with, as he shouldn't have.

You can trash the police all you like, but at the end of the day the **** the police caught was the only person in the wrong here.

Marsh. · 19-07-2020, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by caprimint

No Dezzy. The thread would not have even been created/relevant if the man didn't stroll around the streets of London with a knife to begin with, as he shouldn't have.

You can trash the police all you like, but at the end of the day the **** the police caught was the only person in the wrong here.

So.... the person being arrested is at fault for the person trained to arrest them ignoring their training?

You're arguing against a point with a point nobody made.

The Slim Reaper · 19-07-2020, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Something was brought up about you, Ammi and Livia for some reason, I think that’s what is being referred to, even though you or Ammi didn’t bring it up you just defended yourselves

So who does soldier think the clique in this thread was? He's reading, so maybe he'll clarify.

Peppermint · 19-07-2020, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

So.... the person being arrested is at fault for the person trained to arrest them ignoring their training?

You're arguing against a point with a point nobody made.

I think you're doing the exact same Marsh, but vice versa.

Why are people acting like they know "police training" here?

I don't get it.

Regardless, as I said previously, even if the police didn't get trained for something and caught a criminal, I literally could not care LESS. All the guys who stroll around London, or the UK in general with knives should absolutely be arrested and again... I don't care if "inappropriate" actions are put down on them because they are doing wrong to begin with. Stop trying to defend people who carry weapons.

Tom4784 · 19-07-2020, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by caprimint

No Dezzy. The thread would not have even been created/relevant if the man didn't stroll around the streets of London with a knife to begin with, as he shouldn't have.

You can trash the police all you like, but at the end of the day the **** the police caught was the only person in the wrong here.

How many times must I explain it to you before it finally sinks in? It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

The situation does not matter, what matters is the response. Handling someone carrying a knife is a common situation for police officers and police officers handle it everyday without having to break their protocol, without casting aside their training.

Saying that the police officer's actions don't matter because the situation wouldn't have happened without the suspect shows a serious lack of moral understanding on your part. You cannot blame the decisions you make on someone else. It doesn't matter how the situation came about, it only matters how the police officer acted because that's what the thread is about and the board overlooking this case obviously agrees.

If you get pulled into a bad situation, you can't blame someone else if you choose to make a bad decision. That's not how morality works because, as I've said multiple times at this point, plenty of police officers have acted appropriately in the exact same situation because they stuck to their training.

The police officer made a bad choice and he broke the rules he had to follow and he's been punished for it, that's the long and short of it.

It's not about trashing the police, it's about holding them accountable to their mistakes.

Liam- · 19-07-2020, 06:41 PM

You can agree with criminals being arrested and believe police should act within the realms of professional standards in the process, they’re not combative opinions

Marsh. · 19-07-2020, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by caprimint

I think you're doing the exact same Marsh, but vice versa.

Why are people acting like they know "police training" here?

I don't get it.

Regardless, as I said previously, even if the police didn't get trained for something and caught a criminal, I literally could not care LESS. All the guys who stroll around London, or the UK in general with knives should absolutely be arrested and again... I don't care if "inappropriate" actions are put down on them because they are doing wrong to begin with. Stop trying to defend people who carry weapons.

Right, YOU couldn't care less. That's fine.
Whether you think it's right or wrong isn't the issue though is it?

It's whether officers are breaking the laws themselves. You don't care about it, that's fine, doesn't actually mean it doesn't matter or that it's ok though, does it? Because it's a slippery slope from scrapping with the people they're arresting (and usually at the point of arrest it doesn't always mean any charges will be brought yet, so judging that it doesn't matter what happens to criminals at the point of arrest is really just... dumb) and completely disregarding any and all protocols and rules.

So, responding with "But the criminal is naughty" is utterly pointless and distracting from what actually is being said.

Tom4784 · 19-07-2020, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

You can agree with criminals being arrested and believe police should act within the realms of professional standards in the process, they’re not combative opinions

Exactly.

Christmas Dynamo · 19-07-2020, 06:43 PM

dont rise to it mint

Peppermint · 19-07-2020, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

How many times must I explain it to you before it finally sinks in? It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

The situation does not matter, what matters is the response. Handling someone carrying a knife is a common situation for police officers and police officers handle it everyday without having to break their protocol, without casting aside their training.

Saying that the police officer's actions don't matter because the situation wouldn't have happened without the suspect shows a serious lack of moral understanding on your part. You cannot blame the decisions you make on someone else. It doesn't matter how the situation came about, it only matters how the police officer acted because that's what the thread is about and the board overlooking this case obviously agrees.

If you get pulled into a bad situation, you can't blame someone else if you choose to make a bad decision. That's not how morality works because, as I've said multiple times at this point, plenty of police officers have acted appropriately in the exact same situation because they stuck to their training.

The police officer made a bad choice and he broke the rules he had to follow and he's been punished for it, that's the long and short of it.

It's not about trashing the police, it's about holding them accountable to their mistakes.

Again... I don't think anybody in here necessarily agrees with the policeman's actions, but I do also think that a majority of people in here would actually agree with what he did, out of fear of themselves or their families being hurt, which is ultimately the better decision.

If he did not carry a knife as I said... there would be no need for threads like this to even exist but people still want to TRASH the way he handled things... which imo says a lot about them.

Peppermint · 19-07-2020, 06:44 PM

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