[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

When you have the most politically influential country in the world at the point of being extremely polarised politically... and the current cultural beacon that represents the side of that divide that (classically) is more in favour of unrestricted gun ownership gets shot...

...and you say "nah this isn't an opportune time to think or talk about gun politics it's irrelevant and a waste of time".



Really indicative of the age-old "TiBB debates is really not the place to have... debates" quandry

I didn't say people couldn't talk about it, what I said was I didn't understand why people got so heated about something they cant control....is that okay SB, can I comment like that or....

also my point about banning still stands, people will always find a way ....as exampled by zombie knives in the UK

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't say people couldn't talk about it, what I said was I didn't understand why people got so heated about something they cant control....is that okay SB, can I comment like that or....

also my point about banning still stands, people will always find a way ....as exampled by zombie knives in the UK

People are still shot in the UK. Nutters will always find a way, like you say. Look at Jo Cox.

[Ammi]

…I personally don’t think there is any ‘conspiracy’ type thing attached to this, whatsoever…I think that it’s exactly what we saw, which was an attempt on the life of Trump, which has taken the life of someone else and seriously harmed two others…its obviously a huge security breach and lots of questions to be answered…but I imagine that there may be and will quite probably be those vulnerable spots often in political rallies …those vulnerable places and security blind spots are just generally not occupied by someone who has the intention that this person did….its a very rare thing for that to be part of those combination of events which has led to what happened…they didn’t get to him quickly enough, there would have possibly been other security things that demanded attention also…so it was all just very, very unfortunate and has resulted in loss of innocent life…these things that ‘should never happen’ sometimes just do happen, sadly…but I think that it was just a set of circumstances and lapses etc, but no conspiracy type stuff…

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is the issue - "that the agency rules of engagement in this situation are to wait until the president is fired upon to return fire."

[bots]

the rules of engagement are far more detailed than 1 sentence

[Beso]

The uk police carry guns, and have snipers on rooftops at certain events. We have no guns, so they must think something could still happen in our country that diesnt allow the carrying of guns.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the rules of engagement are far more detailed than 1 sentence

well going by the weekend they really are not

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well going by the weekend they really are not

It is all sus IMO the return fire was near-instant which means they must have had eyes on the shooter before he fired the gun. Or they're using aimbot? Takes a few seconds (at bare minimum) to locate a shooter, be certain that it is the shooter, aim and return fire so unless the guns were already pointed at him it all happened rather quickly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It is all sus IMO the return fire was near-instant which means they must have had eyes on the shooter before he fired the gun. Or they're using aimbot? Takes a few seconds (at bare minimum) to locate a shooter, be certain that it is the shooter, aim and return fire so unless the guns were already pointed at him it all happened rather quickly.

The delay was 3 seconds and the sniper never moved as there is a video on the sniper for many seconds before - so they had him in sights and crazily were waiting for him to shoot

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The delay was 3 seconds and the sniper never moved as there is a video on the sniper for many seconds before - so they had him in sights and crazily were waiting for him to shoot

Smth fuky going on though still, not to get too conspiritorial, but one of the reasons things like this don't happen all that often is that when someone like Trump is making a public speech to a crowd like this, there aren't supposed to be possible spots to fire from.

They're supposed to survey the area, and any rooftops with a line of sight to the podium are supposed to be blocked off and probably staffed. Usually if they can't do that, they'll put bulletproof screens up which have been seen multiple times in various US election tours. He shouldn't have been able to be on that roof with a shot at Trump. If it was just a security oversight it was a HUGE one.

[Nicky91]

meanwhile

Georgia minister Irakli Kobakhidze blames this attack on the ''Global War Party'' a recurring conspiracy theory created by the georgian dream (pro russian party) alleging a mysterious international organization that exerts influence on the Western world from the shadows

https://www.interpressnews.ge/en/art...us-and-europe/

https://www.politico.eu/article/free...a-ivanishvili/

[DemRed]

It was either great incompetence or something more sinister, but as they shot dead the shooter, it will likely never be unraveled.

My best wishes to Trump for a speedy recovery and my deep felt condolances to Corey Comperatore and his family.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by DemRed

It was either great incompetence or something more sinister, but as they shot dead the shooter, it will likely never be unraveled.

My best wishes to Trump for a speedy recovery and my deep felt condolances to Corey Comperatore and his family.

The shooter who was barely out of high school and yet orchestrated a nearly-successful attempt on the life of, quite literally, probably the most high-profile politician in the world other than the POTUS himself (and let's face it, probably including).

Like I said above if it is a security oversight, it's an immense one to the point of being pretty much inconceivable. It would be a huge failing even if this was a well planned and professionally orchestrated assassination attempt. But nah it was just some kid with a gun on a rooftop, that hadn't been blocked, and no one was watching, really near the podium, with a clear line of sight. Someone make it make sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[bots]

if they didnt see the guy's rifle, they simply couldn't shoot, The reason they were able to fire was they would see the flashes from the rifle as he shot

When you are talking procedure to kill someone, it is more than 1 sentence, despite expert LT's proclamations

[Alf]

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if they didnt see the guy's rifle, they simply couldn't shoot, The reason they were able to fire was they would see the flashes from the rifle as he shot

When you are talking procedure to kill someone, it is more than 1 sentence, despite expert LT's proclamations

You have to shout, "He's coming right for us!", then it's OK to shoot.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The shooter who was barely out of high school and yet orchestrated a nearly-successful attempt on the life of, quite literally, probably the most high-profile politician in the world other than the POTUS himself (and let's face it, probably including).

Like I said above if it is a security oversight, it's an immense one to the point of being pretty much inconceivable. It would be a huge failing even if this was a well planned and professionally orchestrated assassination attempt. But nah it was just some kid with a gun on a rooftop, that hadn't been blocked, and no one was watching, really near the podium, with a clear line of sight. Someone make it make sense.

…the sense of life is that not everything in life make sense…

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm stunned by this. A slam dunk case has been thrown out due to a technicality.

Trumps gonna win.

[bots]

i always thought they used bullet proof glass to protect them at public events. For example, the famous speech Trump made on the 6th Jan was behind a shield. If there was a line of site issue, that must surely be the easiest solution, and doesnt rely on any individual for protection

[bots]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I'm stunned by this. A slam dunk case has been thrown out due to a technicality.

Trumps gonna win.

you say it was a slam dunk case, but it had a very bias judge, so it was never going to go to trial and the prosecutor had several opportunities to change the trajectory and didn't bother

[GiRTh]

Agree. The evidence was quite overwhelming but that counts for nothing with a biased judge.

[Liam-]

It can be appealed and she can be replaced and the judges have already overruled the biased judge multiple times because of several of her rulings, she was always going to kick the can down the road as far as she could

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Donald will make his VP choice today!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog

Here’s the official story so far: a random 20 year old acting completely alone
walked within 150 yards of a presidential campaign rally with a rifle, climbed
onto a rooftop in full view of Secret Service snipers, set up his shot and fired
without anyone intervening and with no help from anyone. This 20 year old is
also so politically radical as to attempt an assassination and yet not radical
enough to have ever posted any political writings or commentary on any
social media site ever in his life. He also wrote no manifesto and left behind
no indication about why he did it. His last and only political act, before
attempting to kill the Republican candidate, was to register as a Republican.
You must believe this and ask no questions about it or else you are a
conspiracy theorist. And one thing we know about assassination attempts is
that there’s never any conspiring involved.