[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by vesavius

People are closed minded if they don't share Dave's beliefs, and they are just plain wrong if he dosent share theirs.

I thought we all knew this by now

well said still loving your work

[cub]

I think Dave should be on Question Time.

"Eh-Errrrrgh!"

[Barbie]

Evolution makes far more sense to me than a man in the sky making us. But i'd be happy to listen to Dave try to explain why he believes that. In fact he expects people to listen to his views, but he doesn't listen to other views himself.

i find far more flaws in creationism than evolution.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Barbie

Evolution makes far more sense to me than a man in the sky making us. But i'd be happy to listen to Dave try to explain why he believes that. In fact he expects people to listen to his views, but he doesn't listen to other views himself.

i find far more flaws in creationism than evolution.

St. Dave believes what is written in his book of fairy stories created by people even more ignorant and intolerant than he is.

[Blueisthecolour]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find Christians a little bit shouty-downy about the creationist/evolutionist question. Amazing really, in the face of so much scientific evidence.

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

Not really. Because for some reason it is drilled in from an early age that we should respect religions.

[Blueisthecolour]

Not really what?

I was just stating what I personally have found to be the case.

I know Christians - who tend to be quite self-contained generally, they believe what they believe but are quite happy to let other people have their opinions.

I also know Agnostics and Atheists, many of whom are incredibly aggressive- produce reams and reams of (often conflicting) scientific theories printed off the internet to prove why they are right to contend that religion is rubbish and simply will never let the matter go.

I heard Ricky Gervais and the Archbishop of Canterbury (a strange mix) on the radio a while ago. Ricky Gervais attacked Rowan Williams incessantly and aggressively - shouting things like "Go on then convince me" and Go on then - prove that God exists" and he got more and more annoyed as the Archbishop just smiled and said "Look, you believe what you want - it's fine, you're entitled to that opinion".


ps. Oh, and we should respect religions. We should respect everyone's opinion.

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Its all quite funny reading all your posts slamming someone for not believing what you believe in , quite ironic really , be careful peeps , this is how Fascism started !

If you bother to read my posts, I have been quite clear that I respect Dave's right to hold his views but my point is that I wish he would be open at least to others debating the subject. It's not even about him disagreeing with others on the subject - he won't even allow them to discuss it in his presence!

[luminoussun]

Dave is allowed his opinions.....i believe it was because jj2 was taking the piss about werewolfs and invisilble women earlier and dave was just being as rude as him back
p.s. don't get me wrong i think he done too much drugs

[Parumpapapump]

we are aliens.

[mrlimbo]

Originally Posted by ScabbyMoreLike

If you bother to read my posts, I have been quite clear that I respect Dave's right to hold his views but my point is that I wish he would be open at least to others debating the subject. It's not even about him disagreeing with others on the subject - he won't even allow them to discuss it in his presence!

But everyone seems to miss the point that "Dave" was being humorous and not dogmatic unlike most posters here

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by luminoussun

Dave is allowed his opinions...

Yes, he is, but what we are discussing here is the way he shuts down and dismisses others for theirs.

Keep up.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

I am not an athiest. I'm not a Christian either. I find people "of faith" narrow minded, particularly when it comes to creationism v. evolution. Christians (only because we're talking about Christians here, but I mean every Bible-based religion) pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

well said still loving your work

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, he is, but what we are discussing here is the way he shuts down and dismisses others for theirs.

Keep up.

I agree, he doesnt like people to not agree with him.

[Jezzy]

Evolution vs creationism is an old favourite of mine to ponder.

NOTHING in science rules out an ultimate creator, per se.

Also, M-Theory and its hypothesis of 11 dimensions actually gets past the necessity for there to have to be a beginning of the dimension we know as time.

I don't believe evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive; there are as many holes in the science as there are in the religious explanation, and I tend to think that far FROM being exclusive, the two actually complement each other a lot better than they stand as separate theories.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BJ

So Dave is patronising as well as backstabbing

Indeed.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Malza

Reminds me that Dave today also said he truly believes in Mary being a virgin being pregnant.

Josie was arguing with him about that topic as well

That was when he said he believes in the virgin Mary myth, but wouldnt trust his daughter if she claimed it?

He will argue for the supernatural when it comes to werewolves and flying and all other things of the supernatural, and call others close minded for not agreeing with him, but he definitely would not believe his daughter if she said her pregnancy was immaculate...

Quite a double standard.

[mrlimbo]

Originally Posted by Malza

Reminds me that Dave today also said he truly believes in Mary being a virgin being pregnant.

Well this is true and i have unequivocal evidence , as this happend to my wife 3 times , honest just ask her.......................

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

It amazes me how so many people believe in the Gnostic creation myth called 'evolutionism' and especially in the 21st century in light of so much overwhelming scientific enlightenment,
but,
It does show the astonishing power of BBC evolutionist propaganda and what happens when school children are raised with no other options,
but having said that:
Even though more and more people are rejecting the 'theory of evolution' and many surveys showing 'Creationism' on the rise in the UK, Poland, USA etc,
still,
even still I don't think anyone ought to 'shout down' those who still believe that there was some sort of great grandmother bowl of inorganic soup that mated with a shaft of lightning which turned into hawks, worms, grass, T-Rex, giraffes etc.
It is quite common.
yes, of course belief in this evolution myth led to slavery, racism, mass murder etc,
but,
that is not what the average believer agrees to anymore.
David should just be cool and thankful he knows better.

You do make me laugh Elpoxy, I bet even you couldn't keep a straight face when you typed out all that nonsense...

Though it is actually worrying if you truely believe it

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You should know what I typed is realistic and reflects trends.

LOL!! I think you need help mate...

[InOne]

Thinking back he might've been joking. Seems his kinda humour. But he's one of those where you never know

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not an athiest. I'm not a Christian either. I find people "of faith" narrow minded, particularly when it comes to creationism v. evolution. Christians (only because we're talking about Christians here, but I mean every Bible-based religion) pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

I agree, and this cherry picking, focusing on selected parts, and twisting of the gospel (that fulfill the agenda one wishes to promote and use) by a minister is a classic element of what is considered a counterfeit religion. It's also a recognised practise of cultism.

[Pato]

No argument dave's right he's always right

[monx]

As all the others in the house are respectful of his beliefs, then I think Dave should be able to listen to another housemate discuss his beliefs on evolution.

The fact that Dave was unable to say to JJ2, well you are entitled to your opinion but I dont personally believe that makes me wonder why Dave was unwilling to discuss this further. Surely if he has built his life on this belief and he is certain beyond a shadow of a doubt then why not discuss it. In my opinion he knows that his beliefs do not stand up to scrutiny and therefore would rather just deny the argument exists and just bury his head deeper into the sand.

Dont get me wrong, I am more than happy for him to have his beliefs and to talk about them but I wouldnt put up with him completely disregarding mine because they questioned his.

I have yet to have a conversation with someone of any faith who can explain (with any conviction) how the earth is only a couple of thousand years old yet rock, fossils and whole eco systems have been carbon dated to millions of years in the past? How, if we as humans are made in God's image, how we can share DNA with closely related animals like chimpanzees and apes?

I am not belittiling anyones faith, I am of the opininon if you believe in some otherwordly deity who is going to listen to your problems, provide solutions etc and it gives you comfort then it is a good thing. When it totally dominates every aspect of your life and stops you questioning things, blindly accepting things because "it is written" then I believe it is dangerous. This kind of religious radicalism is how societies become marginalised and religious wars break out.

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Dont get me wrong, I am more than happy for him to have his beliefs and to talk about them but I wouldnt put up with him completely disregarding mine because they questioned his.

Nicely summed up!

However, I'm not convinced it's because he thinks his beliefs don't stand up but because he thinks they would not be popular with the majority of viewers/HMs. The word 'fake' is used too frequently in relation to BB but if it can be applied to others for minor matters then it should be levelled at Dave on this count.