[Niall]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There are indeed (as Vicky encountered), older people who will go out of their way to do what you experienced.

The flip side is though: given that the older woman had to verbalise her thoughts to someone else on the bus, BEFORE you and your friends moved along out of the 'wheelchair space' and moved across the bus ...... it 'could' have been perceived that she shouldn't have needed to say anything, that you and your friends 'could have' moved across as more people were coming onto the bus - thus not giving her the need to moan.

I am not saying for one second you were wrong - there are miserable old sods out there, just as there are impudent young ones..... all I'm saying is sometimes we need to consider: there are sometimes (sometimes...not always) 3 sides to a story... his side, her side, and what really happened.

I was actually the only person standing there. I thought this woman was really rude to be honest lmao.

[MeMyselfAndI]

All the old people i know are really nice, but they are my great aunties and grandad

['Conor]

i feel like im a villiain sometimes, the way older people look at me as if im gonna take a knife out and stab them its so irritating.

And the worst thing is they always think your always gonna steal something in a shop

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niall

I was actually the only person standing there. I thought this woman was really rude to be honest lmao.

Hey.....that's a fact. Been there myself.

Keep your eye on the 'holding a door open'....... (as I said earlier: that's normally the one that you are left thinking, "aye, cheers pal")

[cub]

Rude people are rude people. They don't have to be old or young. If someone is rude or impolite, just remind them of it - in a polite, respectful way.

Kindness and a smile goes a long way.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah there is a lot of hostility I think, not helped when the Daily Mail & Sun etc. sensationalise things and go on about broken britain and knife crime and how dangerous teenagers are

I really dont think this generation is that much worse than any that has come before, things just get blown out of proportion more

I completely agree with this.

I also think that the older generation are almost scared of the younger generation, mainly because of the differences between us, especially the technology side. I also HATE when the younger generation are reffered to as the 'Twitter generation' - so patronising.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by cub

Rude people are rude people. They don't have to be old or young. If someone is rude or impolite, just remind them of it - in a polite, respectful way.

Kindness and a smile goes a long way.

*Is always kinda & polite and smiles at people* It doesn't change things usually.

[joeysteele]

There's good and bad in all age groups but there is no excuse at all for bad manners, a please and thank you cost nothing and neither does a smile.

[cub]

I smiled and grinned at three people this morning and got smiles and nods back. It's such a buzz to get one returned - yes, sometimes people don't notice or ignore it, but that's life.

[Livia]

Every generation of teenagers think that they are a kind of “new breed”. Hormones rage, suddenly you’re classed as an adult and the world is a new place, full of opportunity and promise. You’re introduced to sex and think you’re the only generation who’s ever done it. You imagine that the older generation are totally out of touch with what’s happening and how the modern world is.

What teenagers generally fail to see is that everyone older than them has been a teenager, and despite changing technology, fashion and music, it’s pretty much the same now as when I was for previous generations. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, how unfair or was sometimes, how exciting and fresh everything was. I think the preconceptions are mainly on the part of the teenager many of whom consider anyone over 25 as past it. If you’re lucky, you’ll be older one day, and realise what a terribly short journey getting older is, and how the journey time gets shorter every year. On the plus side, when you do get older, you’ll realise you’ve only been dabbling in sex all this time and that like anything else, practise makes perfect. You’ll realise that you don’t feel any different inside than you felt when you were younger, and that you’re certainly none the wiser. The truth is that the older generation developed the technology you’re using, designed the clothes you’re wearing and produced the film and TV you watch. There isn’t such a divide between generations; the journey from cradle to grave really isn’t that long. But you have to get a bit older to understand that.

As for the miserable bloke who wanted a key cut… he’s obviously one of life’s rude, aggressive, miserable gits. There are lots of them around, and they aren’t all old.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by mathews220

I've been noticing this more and more over the past year and a half I've been working in a Traditional Hardware store, but today it came to a head after a older gentleman (around 65-70) was so unbelievably rude. Anyway, I'll just give you a bit of a back story.

I'm 16 years old, I'm a regular teenager, I don't get drunk, I tend not to swear, I'm not one of those stereotypical teenagers that hang round on street corners. I'm a hardworker and am going into the police next year (at 18-and-a-half).

However, when I'm working, the older generation come in and see a young guy behind the counter think it automatically gives them the right to lose all respect and manners. However, do they stop to think that their view and 'tarring all people with the same brush' may be wrong? Perhaps if they stop to think that not all teenagers are the same, pay the teenager some respect and manners, they might get them in return.

This particular gentleman who came in today wanted a key cut. He took one look at me and slammed his key on the counter and said "do three of those." I looked at him, and after some initial hesitation (I usually bite my tongue at work) I replied, "do I get a please with that?" Thankfully, my boss sided with me and everything was ok. I cut the three keys and continued to serve him at the till, and he replied with please and thank yous.

My questions are, as the general public, are we rude on the whole? Do old people tar the younger generation with the same brush and expect respect?

This man is a extremely rude and well done you to point that out. I'm not sure it was about his age or your age though, he might just have an attitude, whoever he's talking to. There are loads of bad mannered people of different ages, but for me, thankfully they are usually outnumbered by respectful, polite ones - young and old

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Every generation of teenagers think that they are a kind of “new breed”. Hormones rage, suddenly you’re classed as an adult and the world is a new place, full of opportunity and promise. You’re introduced to sex and think you’re the only generation who’s ever done it. You imagine that the older generation are totally out of touch with what’s happening and how the modern world is.

What teenagers generally fail to see is that everyone older than them has been a teenager, and despite changing technology, fashion and music, it’s pretty much the same now as when I was for previous generations. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, how unfair or was sometimes, how exciting and fresh everything was. I think the preconceptions are mainly on the part of the teenager many of whom consider anyone over 25 as past it. If you’re lucky, you’ll be older one day, and realise what a terribly short journey getting older is, and how the journey time gets shorter every year. On the plus side, when you do get older, you’ll realise you’ve only been dabbling in sex all this time and that like anything else, practise makes perfect. You’ll realise that you don’t feel any different inside than you felt when you were younger, and that you’re certainly none the wiser. The truth is that the older generation developed the technology you’re using, designed the clothes you’re wearing and produced the film and TV you watch. There isn’t such a divide between generations; the journey from cradle to grave really isn’t that long. But you have to get a bit older to understand that.

As for the miserable bloke who wanted a key cut… he’s obviously one of life’s rude, aggressive, miserable gits. There are lots of them around, and they aren’t all old.

That's a great post and so true!

[Alf]

my generation used to run and get a chase from coppers,
now the kids just stand there and stab or shoot the coppers

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Every generation of teenagers think that they are a kind of “new breed”. Hormones rage, suddenly you’re classed as an adult and the world is a new place, full of opportunity and promise. You’re introduced to sex and think you’re the only generation who’s ever done it. You imagine that the older generation are totally out of touch with what’s happening and how the modern world is.

What teenagers generally fail to see is that everyone older than them has been a teenager, and despite changing technology, fashion and music, it’s pretty much the same now as when I was for previous generations. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, how unfair or was sometimes, how exciting and fresh everything was. I think the preconceptions are mainly on the part of the teenager many of whom consider anyone over 25 as past it. If you’re lucky, you’ll be older one day, and realise what a terribly short journey getting older is, and how the journey time gets shorter every year. On the plus side, when you do get older, you’ll realise you’ve only been dabbling in sex all this time and that like anything else, practise makes perfect. You’ll realise that you don’t feel any different inside than you felt when you were younger, and that you’re certainly none the wiser. The truth is that the older generation developed the technology you’re using, designed the clothes you’re wearing and produced the film and TV you watch. There isn’t such a divide between generations; the journey from cradle to grave really isn’t that long. But you have to get a bit older to understand that.

As for the miserable bloke who wanted a key cut… he’s obviously one of life’s rude, aggressive, miserable gits. There are lots of them around, and they aren’t all old.

Absolutely first rate post, amazing insight and completely reasoned. I am 19 but agree with all you say. Excellent post Livia.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

my generation used to run and get a chase from coppers,
now the kids just stand there and stab or shoot the coppers

That's actually almost true.. If we were up to no good as teenagers, we'd do a runner if the police were on the prowl (mainly because my mum would have killed me had I been taken home by the feds!)
I saw th police approach a gang of neds one night and they go nothing but a lot of cheek!

[Judas]

It's been the same for generations, I think the perceptions are no worse than that of the past.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Judas

It's been the same for generations, I think the perceptions are no worse than that of the past.

Fair Point

Spunky Judas

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by mathews220

Perhaps if they stop to think that not all teenagers are the same, pay the teenager some respect and manners, they might get them in return.
.... I looked at him, and after some initial hesitation (I usually bite my tongue at work) I replied, "do I get a please with that?"

I want you to look at what you wrote here ^

What you don't know is that is exactly why older people complain of the breakdown of propriety and consider teenagers insolent disrespectful etc.

What?
The thing is. You don't understand that in his day it was UNHEARD OF that the boy would DARE to say to an older man "do i get a please?"
NO
Its like this. Yes, it would be nice if he gave you a 'please' and 'thank you'. Agreed.
However,
The rule was that you DO NOT deserve it and further more even if you didn't get it then you have NO RIGHT to challenge him for it like you were equals.
In fact, in the olde days your boss (and me) would still agree he was a cranky old man,
however,
YOU would not get the right. You would not have a say. You have no place to ask for it,
and,
making a passive-aggressive vindictive woman comment like 'hmmph.. do i get a please?' would actually get you slapped upside the head BY YOUR BOSS.
and a customer.
and the man in question.
And then asked who the hell you think you are?

You don't understand any of this. I'm sure its just reading 'nonsense' to your mind.
And I think that might be the point after all. You actually have no idea why what I told you could have ever made 'sense' or should be obvious.

........
I'm someone in the middle. The disrespect thing started around my age group. Its much worse now.
I actually just saw an online video where a young guy (maybe 22) was getting told off by a rude old guy (maybe 55-65).
To MY HORROR the young guy then 'fought' the old guy. Started punching him!
Like the old man was just another guy he should fight. Actually even worse he did 'UFC' ****. (we used to say this was shameful).

I mean... I'm not THAT old.. this is just a few .. say 10 years ago you would NEVER SEE THAT!
I mean we NEVER THOUGHT OF SUCH A THING!
This would NEVER ENTER OUR MINDS!
The dirtiest, ****tiest, sneaky bully... the guy notorious for picking fights with weaker people in our day... would NEVER NEVER NEVER strike an old man!
No matter. If the old man was in the wrong, punching us.. NEVER would you even THINK of 'fighting' the old man like that.

I'm serious. The society is ****ing degenerating. The reason it can't be reversed is actually because youth DON"T KNOW any different anyways. They don't know what they are doing is disgusting low degrading immoral and wrong.
To them its 'life in the UK'. and 'how it is'.
The beginning of the end.

[Stu]

....

[Smithy]

why does he type like that, it's like a more annoying version of arista

[Stu]

It's very picturesque. It's like an exact visual representation of the rabbling, drool faced looning his probably doing as he types.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

why does he type like that, it's like a more annoying version of arista

Yes the Caps Parts is his Extreme Anger at it all.




Life In The City.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I want you to look at what you wrote here ^

What you don't know is that is exactly why older people complain of the breakdown of propriety and consider teenagers insolent disrespectful etc.

Why...because the younger generation want a bit of respect too?

How terrible

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Livia

Every generation of teenagers think that they are a kind of “new breed”. Hormones rage, suddenly you’re classed as an adult and the world is a new place, full of opportunity and promise. You’re introduced to sex and think you’re the only generation who’s ever done it. You imagine that the older generation are totally out of touch with what’s happening and how the modern world is.

What teenagers generally fail to see is that everyone older than them has been a teenager, and despite changing technology, fashion and music, it’s pretty much the same now as when I was for previous generations. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, how unfair or was sometimes, how exciting and fresh everything was. I think the preconceptions are mainly on the part of the teenager many of whom consider anyone over 25 as past it. If you’re lucky, you’ll be older one day, and realise what a terribly short journey getting older is, and how the journey time gets shorter every year. On the plus side, when you do get older, you’ll realise you’ve only been dabbling in sex all this time and that like anything else, practise makes perfect. You’ll realise that you don’t feel any different inside than you felt when you were younger, and that you’re certainly none the wiser. The truth is that the older generation developed the technology you’re using, designed the clothes you’re wearing and produced the film and TV you watch. There isn’t such a divide between generations; the journey from cradle to grave really isn’t that long. But you have to get a bit older to understand that.

As for the miserable bloke who wanted a key cut… he’s obviously one of life’s rude, aggressive, miserable gits. There are lots of them around, and they aren’t all old.

Probably the most intelligent, truthful and articulate post I have read since I joined Tibbs.

Spot on, absolutely spot on. *Applauds*

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why...because the younger generation want a bit of respect too?

How terrible

It's more that they believe they deserve it. How terrible you can't see that. Then again, your part of the problem.