[Udanax]

Originally Posted by BB6

BS,
Your telling me that if it was a Frenchy Vs Ricci Final 2 in CBB14. And Ricci won, you wouldn't be at all annoyed, considering he brought nothing to the series?

so absurd <3

[Withasnow]

shes a dickhead

[ruiphillips]

Terrible. I remember y'all praising her win to the high heavens on here. It was anti-climax for such a nasty character to win.

[Black Dagger]

Goddess.

Wonderful victory.

[andybigbro]

I was annoyed at the time, but now I'm not fussed.

She did provide a lot of talkng points on the show, so I'm glad that a bore didn't win like previous years such as Luke and Sam.

[Doogle]

It was hilarious because of how much of a farce it was that out of nowhere everyone started supporting her. But every year we say the one who causes the most drama never wins and the fact that she did was shocking so it made it funny.

But honestly in hindsight she's scum and it was completely the wrong decision

[karl100589]

In retrospect I would make the argument that her win is even more badly received then in the immediate aftermath of the series, there seemed to be this mindset from most people that whilst they didn't like Helen they could appreciate some of her entertainment value, yet I feel that upon re-reflection a lot of people have come to realise that Helen simply wasn't that entertaining at all, and instead of being the controversy magnet they originally thought she was instead a tiresome and frankly stale character. I'm the first to appreciate a good villain on Big Brother, you'll know that by listening to Big Archive and hearing what I think of the likes of Charley, Rex, Derek etc. but Helen as a villain was VERY one note and lacked any kind of entertainment value to make up for her lack of complexity, once you saw one Helen argument you pretty much saw all of them.

What made this worse though was the pass to the final, and because of her receiving the pass to the final there was this intention from production to be seen as having the pass given to someone who was deserving, and as a result that meant Helen receiving more airtime then what was needed and for the story of the show to be shown through her eyes, and because of Helen's personality this meant a thoroughly negative and unsatisfying tone on the entire season. Essentially she was for all extensive purposes Sallie Axl, the only difference being that Sallie left before people got sick of her whilst Helen sucked the life out of the show with her presence.

She is one of three people along with Carole and John-James that I hold responsible for single-handedly ruining a season.

[Braden]

Anybody who loves Helen is a bottom. /true story

[Shaun]

Willam Belli would never dream of singing about Helen fans.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Willam Belli would never dream of singing about Helen fans.

[joeysteele]

I am still happy that I was able to make my contribution as to voting for her to win and so in part was one who helped that win for her come about.

[Ant.]

Like it or not, the whole series was a fix. I would've preferred Ashleigh winning but what's done is done and the Helen fans beat Ashleigh in the final leg.
It does annoy me she said she'd leave what happened in the house in the house. She went on to bitch about people on BOTS and say she lived with a pedophile (Chris) and crap

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Im glad she won but I think it has damaged the franchise as it pissed off so many viewers.

[Marsh.]

Not bothered. I didn't really "like" anyone in the god awful series.

Glad she won over the tedious Ashleigh though.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Braden

Anybody who loves Helen is a bottom. /true story

I see no lies.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by karl100589

In retrospect I would make the argument that her win is even more badly received then in the immediate aftermath of the series, there seemed to be this mindset from most people that whilst they didn't like Helen they could appreciate some of her entertainment value, yet I feel that upon re-reflection a lot of people have come to realise that Helen simply wasn't that entertaining at all, and instead of being the controversy magnet they originally thought she was instead a tiresome and frankly stale character. I'm the first to appreciate a good villain on Big Brother, you'll know that by listening to Big Archive and hearing what I think of the likes of Charley, Rex, Derek etc. but Helen as a villain was VERY one note and lacked any kind of entertainment value to make up for her lack of complexity, once you saw one Helen argument you pretty much saw all of them.

What made this worse though was the pass to the final, and because of her receiving the pass to the final there was this intention from production to be seen as having the pass given to someone who was deserving, and as a result that meant Helen receiving more airtime then what was needed and for the story of the show to be shown through her eyes, and because of Helen's personality this meant a thoroughly negative and unsatisfying tone on the entire season. Essentially she was for all extensive purposes Sallie Axl, the only difference being that Sallie left before people got sick of her whilst Helen sucked the life out of the show with her presence.

She is one of three people along with Carole and John-James that I hold responsible for single-handedly ruining a season.

Agree with all this post but mainly the bit in bold. The other HM I'd compare Helen to is Lesley BB6. Just a thoroughly detestable character who, due to her obnoxious personality, caused a lot of drama and argument. There was nothing more to Lesley or Sallie or Helen.

No doubt in my mind Helen wouldn't have got past week four with out her pass to the final.

[Daniel.]

Sallie > Helen

[Kizzy]

Stay pressed.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Like it or not, the whole series was a fix. I would've preferred Ashleigh winning but what's done is done and the Helen fans beat Ashleigh in the final leg.
It does annoy me she said she'd leave what happened in the house in the house. She went on to bitch about people on BOTS and say she lived with a pedophile (Chris) and crap

It wasn't a fix. Meddled?, Yes.
You're only saying it is a fix because your favourite didn't win. I'm guessing CBB14 was also a fix considering Audley and Gary outlasted James.

She only appeared on BOTS once, which was the launch of CBB. If I remember she was pleasant and said her opinion, all of which were nice.
The only critical thing she said was that it was funny how Dee was given a royalty task, when shes far from that character she is pretending to be, which wasn't bitchy at all.
You were obviously watching a different show than I was.

The Chris thing I can't defend. I wasn't a fan of Chris, but that was vile. Fair enough.
But, many people overlook the fact that Ash had actually instigated that situation by tweeting peado first.

The feud with Danielle I can defend.
Danielle's a vile little hypocrite. She has no right to judge anyone and call people skets, when she was on BabeStation. Pot Kettle Black. Everything she says is a reflection of herself.
She also had no right to bring Helen's 10 year old child into the picture.
She's pretty much instigated the majority of the arguments involving her and Helen.

Not to mention, the things she's been tweeting, which are not even relating to Helen.
She seems to believe two wrongs make a right. I'm pretty sure being a Catholic, the bible states otherwise.
She tweeted something about animal abusers "Scum like this should die a sick death", also calling them C word.
I'm not defending animal abuse, but if that's the way she deals with situations, she obviously seems to believe in an eye for an eye.

[Udanax]

Originally Posted by BB6

It wasn't a fix. Meddled?, Yes.
You're only saying it is a fix because your favourite didn't win. I'm guessing CBB14 was also a fix considering Audley and Gary outlasted James.

She only appeared on BOTS once, which was the launch of CBB. If I remember she was pleasant and said her opinion, all of which were nice.
The only critical thing she said was that it was funny how Dee was given a royalty task, when shes far from that character she is pretending to be, which wasn't bitchy at all.
You were obviously watching a different show than I was.

The Chris thing I can't defend. I wasn't a fan of Chris, but that was vile. Fair enough.
But, Helen is the least to blame for it. Ash started it by tweeting paedo, and tagging their names in.

The feud with Danielle I can defend.
Danielle's a vile little hypocrite. She has no right to judge anyone and call people skets, when she was on BabeStation. Pot Kettle Black. Everything she says is a reflection of herself.
She also had no right to bring Helen's 10 year old child into the picture.
She's pretty much instigated the majority of the arguments involving her and Helen.

Not to mention, the things she's been tweeting, which are not even relating to Helen.
She seems to believe two wrongs make a right. I'm pretty sure being a Catholic, the bible states otherwise.
She tweeted something about animal abusers "Scum like this should die a sick death", also calling them C word.
I'm not defending animal abuse, but if that's the way she deals with situations, she obviously seems to believe in an eye for an eye.

Keep reaching <3

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Udanax

Keep reaching <3

I don't know what that means, but okay.

[Beastie]

Definately meddling. Think the twists just have to stop now because everyone is going to moan its a fix. Just let the housemates go in and make their own entertainment. Have fun tasks and noms as normal. 3 or more with most noms up for eviction.