[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That genuinely jumped out at me when I saw the first photo too.

The film is that bad. Amidst all that horror, it still stands out like "UGH... Butterfly Effect 2? NO."

The first one is really good though

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The first one is really good though

The first one is very watchable, it would have been genuinely very good with a different lead (IMO...).

The second one stinks. Stinks... like feces, and decomposing dog corpses. Omg it's all starting to make some sort of twisted sense...

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The first one is very watchable, it would have been genuinely very good with a different lead (IMO...).

The second one stinks. Stinks... like feces, and decomposing dog corpses. Omg it's all starting to make some sort of twisted sense...

I hate Ashton Kutcher but I actually liked him in that film I'm 80% sure I watched the second one but I can't for the life of me remember a single thing about it.....maybe I blocked it

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I hate Ashton Kutcher but I actually liked him in that film I'm 80% sure I watched the second one but I can't for the life of me remember a single thing about it.....maybe I blocked it

I love the first movie Ashton Kutcher is fantastic in it the second one really is awful.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I love the first movie Ashton Kutcher is fantastic in it the second one really is awful.

The first one is only good with the proper ending though, I remember the second time I watch it, it had a different ending to the first and I was like wtf???

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I hate Ashton Kutcher but I actually liked him in that film I'm 80% sure I watched the second one but I can't for the life of me remember a single thing about it.....maybe I blocked it

I wouldn't be surprised. Blocked it like... Like a drain full of lifeless iguanas and discarded SSRI's.

This is getting really difficult to keep on track .

But yeah, I have this horrible affliction where of I start watching a film, I literally have to finish it. This is one of those films that made that especially painful. Like an endurance challenge.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

People are bound to respond to a story like this on an emotional level but the truth is, this is a mental health condition and needs to be treated as such.

Animal hoarding nearly always leads to gross neglect of those animals and is a diagnosable mental illness. It is usually treated with cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) but has a 100 percent relapse without appropriate treatment.
http://www.adaa.org/living-with-anxi...ects-can-peopl

Doesn't actually say anywhere that she was diagnosed with a medical illness, so that's an amazing diagnosis you've made there. It says she was "drinking heavily" (although it also said she couldn't afford cleaning material or pet food), that she was "depressed" ( following the loss of her mother (although it didn't say she suffers from depression). Despite the horror of the situation and the real possibility that the woman is just scum, some people knee-jerk to it not being their fault. I'm sure when she was sentenced her mental state would have been taken into account.

[Tinsel balls]

Has this thread got mixed up with another as some of the posts don't seem related at all.and Livia you are spot on ,again,well said.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Doesn't actually say anywhere that she was diagnosed with a medical illness, so that's an amazing diagnosis you've made there. It says she was "drinking heavily" (although it also said she couldn't afford cleaning material or pet food), that she was "depressed" ( following the loss of her mother (although it didn't say she suffers from depression). Despite the horror of the situation and the real possibility that the woman is just scum, some people knee-jerk to it not being their fault. I'm sure when she was sentenced her mental state would have been taken into account.

Because people with sound mental health become alcoholics for fun, and the prison system is full of completely normal people with no psychological issues or damage.

Once again Livia, you need to tell us which magical wardrobe leads to your world, because it sounds much better and fairer than the one most of us live in and I think it's only right that we all live with you in the land of perfect justice.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Has this thread got mixed up with another as some of the posts don't seem related at all.and Livia you are spot on ,again,well said.

That was Niamh's fault and Niamh is #1 mod of TiBB so deal wiv it, pedestrian.

[Marsh.]

What an awful way to store your DVDs

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because people with sound mental health become alcoholics for fun, and the prison system is full of completely normal people with no psychological issues or damage.

Once again Livia, you need to tell us which magical wardrobe leads to your world, because it sounds much better and fairer than the one most of us live in and I think it's only right that we all live with you in the land of perfect justice.

I live in the real world. Where people take responsibility for themselves and their animals and people don't immediately say they're suffering from mental health issues because they're a scumbag.

And you wouldn't get a visa to live in my world TS.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

I live in the real world. Where people take responsibility for themselves and their animals and people don't immediately say they're suffering from mental health issues because they're a scumbag.

And you wouldn't get a visa to live in my world TS.

And how exactly do people become "scum"? Are they born "scum"? Are they just "scummy babies"?

You live in a world where the answer to that question is " don't know don't care punish the scum". If the question is asked at all. Which seems doubtful.

I'd rather live in a world where we look for solutions to stop people ending up like this is the first place than one where we see the aftermath and grab our pitchforks. That's why it's important to acknowledge that this woman is clearly a psychological mess. Not to "excuse her". Nothing to do with her. But so that we understand it in an effort to stop others from becoming the same.

So, not looking for a visa to t'otherworld I'm afraid. Even if it does seem like a simpler existence. Easy answers with predefined boundaries, etc.

[DemolitionRed]

When someone does something so abhorrent to a child or an animal, mental illness is the One pill the emotionally affected don't want to give is that of a mental health condition because there must be NO EXCUSE allowed.

I will never understand the realities of human behaviour, when I meet people who have little empathy or morality I just remind myself not to have expectations of them.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

When someone does something so abhorrent to a child or an animal, mental illness is the One pill the emotionally affected don't want to give is that of a mental health condition because there must be NO EXCUSE allowed.

I will never understand the realities of human behaviour, when I meet people who have little empathy or morality I just remind myself not to have expectations of them.

But, she may just have been a not very nice person. its common to say someone is mentally unstable when they do something out of the ordinary, but it is not a prerequisite to that type of behaviour.

[Tom4784]

Those poor animals.

I definitely think she's mentally ill, nobody who is of sound mind lives like that but who cares about that when you've got an opportunity to engage in a bit of wanton bloodlust?

'SHE SHOULD BE NAILED DOWN TO THE FLOOR AND FED TO DOGS ALIVE BECAUSE SHE'S EVIL AND I'M OBVIOUSLY THE EPITOME OF GOODNESS AND MORALITY FOR SUGGESTING SUCH A PUNISHMENT. TORTURE THE BITCH.'

[Cherie Christmas]

Why are people assuming she is mentally ill, if a psycho murders we don't automatically assume ..mentally ill, this isn't the 18th century she will have had a psych evaluation before sentencing

[DemolitionRed]

Because alcohol and depression (the two things reported) is often a vicious circle of mental instability. Alcohol alters our brain chemistry and is linked to a number of things including psychosis. Heavy drinkers get depressed because the serotonin in the brain depletes and this is why alcoholics often neglect their home, themselves, their children and their animals.

From what I've read, this woman had already sectioned herself to her house. Her house and her own personal care had become none existent and the animals she believed she had good intentions towards, were grossly neglected too.

There are many, many people incarcerated within the prison system who have neither gone or will ever go through proper mental health evaluation. Even Peter Sutcliffe was mistakenly put in a regular prison before being sent to Broadmoor.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why are people assuming she is mentally ill, if a psycho murders we don't automatically assume ..mentally ill, this isn't the 18th century she will have had a psych evaluation before sentencing

Hopefully that's true.

Personally I think she must have been mentally unwell. I mean, if I was to go round to someones house and it looked like that! Well I wouldn't think they were 'normal', I'd assume there must be something wrong with them. If say she wasn't mentally ill, and was just a really horrible person who wanted to torture animals, I kind of imagine that the general state of the house would be different, more livable for people but perhaps a separate room for the animals she wanted to abuse or something. But the place wasn't even livable for her so I don't think it can be a case that she was just a bad person who wanted to mistreat animals, it's like she generally just lost all concept of what a 'livable condition' is. (I'm not trying to excuse anything btw, just trying to understand how something like this can happen). Obviously that's all just assumptions anyway though, like I said, hopefully she was assessed properly and her sentence took into consideration the results.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

When someone does something so abhorrent to a child or an animal, mental illness is the One pill the emotionally affected don't want to give is that of a mental health condition because there must be NO EXCUSE allowed.

The problem is that people struggle to draw a distinction between understanding a reason, and making excuses. Understanding abnormal human behaviour isn't about making excuses for the past actions of that person - it's about preventing future similar actions in both that person and others.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why are people assuming she is mentally ill, if a psycho murders we don't automatically assume ..mentally ill, this isn't the 18th century she will have had a psych evaluation before sentencing

A psycho? A psychopath? We don't assume that a psychopath is mentally ill?

... Is this a joke?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Because alcohol and depression (the two things reported) is often a vicious circle of mental instability. Alcohol alters our brain chemistry and is linked to a number of things including psychosis. Heavy drinkers get depressed because the serotonin in the brain depletes and this is why alcoholics often neglect their home, themselves, their children and their animals.

From what I've read, this woman had already sectioned herself to her house. Her house and her own personal care had become none existent and the animals she believed she had good intentions towards, were grossly neglected too.

There are many, many people incarcerated within the prison system who have neither gone or will ever go through proper mental health evaluation. Even Peter Sutcliffe was mistakenly put in a regular prison before being sent to Broadmoor.

Yours and Jamie's post and indeed Dezzy's too,have made me think.

I reacted strongly because I love animals and really love Dogs too and also my view was clouded by my own loss of a pet recently.

Depression is an absolute horror,in the main depression leads people to put things off until later, tomorrow,next week and later, once tomorrow and next week arrive the same cycle becomes the same again as to putting things off.
Absolute horror for the animals that must have suffered and no one would believe that acceptable in any way.

However looking at the state of the place,there must be some mental problem here with this person to be living like that.
If there is then prison is not really the place she should be in.

I abhor people who treat animals badly it does however seem anyone or anything in that house was going to be really sorely neglected across the board.

Good posts from you Jamie and Dezzy and TS too.
All of you made me think hard from my initial reaction to this so thank you for that.
Instant judgemental comments out of hurt and anger don't make for positive outcomes at times.

I still feel hurt and anger for the animals but unfortunately took the eye off the ball as to another human being, who may have needed help themselves too, and it would appear no one around to do so and see what what was happening in their life
Depressed people or anyone with mental problems rarely jump up and ask for help too,again putting that off to another day that in reality is a day that never or rarely comes round.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And how exactly do people become "scum"? Are they born "scum"? Are they just "scummy babies"?

You live in a world where the answer to that question is " don't know don't care punish the scum". If the question is asked at all. Which seems doubtful.

I'd rather live in a world where we look for solutions to stop people ending up like this is the first place than one where we see the aftermath and grab our pitchforks. That's why it's important to acknowledge that this woman is clearly a psychological mess. Not to "excuse her". Nothing to do with her. But so that we understand it in an effort to stop others from becoming the same.

So, not looking for a visa to t'otherworld I'm afraid. Even if it does seem like a simpler existence. Easy answers with predefined boundaries, etc.

There are a lot of magnificent diagnoses going on in this thread from people with not a qualification between them. "Clearly a psychological mess". incredible the way you managed to come to that conclusion. Even Doctor Phil couldn't diagnose someone through reading about them in an article. You're amazing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A psycho? A psychopath? We don't assume that a psychopath is mentally ill?

... Is this a joke?

Do you think this s the first time anyone had any clue that she's "mentally ill" as you have diagnosed?

Honestly... no one's allowed to criticise a woman who allowed these animals to die in a most horrific way although had plenty of money for booze. No one must call a terrorist a "monster"... I think the question is, what world are YOU living in? One where anyone can do anything and immediately someone will be worrying about the welfare of the perpetrator because they're not responsible for their own dreadful actions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem is that people struggle to draw a distinction between understanding a reason, and making excuses. Understanding abnormal human behaviour isn't about making excuses for the past actions of that person - it's about preventing future similar actions in both that person and others.

True.

Also we do not need to be Doctors,(although I have 4 in my own Family), to look at the state of the place and see something was badly wrong here with this person.

I know if I saw anyone living that way I would instantly think they had a mental issue if not an illness.
Drinking alcohol too would blot out the issue and problem to the person drinking.

Alcohol is relatively cheap to buy and will more than likely send you off to sleep in the end, so the person is not then thinking about anything needing doing or realising anything that should be done.

Working in law,I have to try to assess what makes people do the things they do,try to find a reason for behaviour and identify any problems too.
She had to be punished for the ill treatment and neglect of the animals but maybe jail will not address the underlying issues there may be.

It is horrendous as a case,no doubt as to that.