[Crimson Dynamo]

what has a random killing in London got to do with say Kilmarnock, Angelsey or Exeter?

people genuinely have no concept of population numbers in the UK

there are 10,000,000 people in LOndon alone

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by Cherie

completely unworkable for women or men, but it was genuinely suggested for women last week

I agree Cherie it wouldn’t work for either. What happens to our nurses if there is a 6pm curfew and their shift finishes at 8?

It’s just something that isn’t realistic and an outright stupid suggestion.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

That Crazy Green MP (that asked for this) is on GMBHD itv.

She looks like a nutcase...

[Denver]

It's not necessary but we need to be more aware maybe they should bring in awareness classes at schools to help deall with this sort of stuff but I think men and women need to work together to sort the situation out

[Alf]

Girl Power!

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Denver

It's not necessary but we need to be more aware maybe they should bring in awareness classes at schools to help deall with this sort of stuff but I think men and women need to work together to sort the situation out

The earlier they're aware, the better indeed.
I know in France they tried it as from the age of 6 to 18, but the funds for those classes were cut after a few years. A shame really because it received good feedback from all.

[Tom4784]

It was pretty obvious that the MP who suggested this wasn't seriously suggesting it, but was saying it to prove a point. The vast majority of sexual assaults and attacks are committed by men, a majority of violent crime in general is committed by men.

Most men are too concerned with being all like 'well, that's not me, #notallmen', and it's an attitude that allows such violence to prosper by washing their hands of involvement. Cultural norms, a lack of educating men in particular in empathy, an acceptance of lad culture. All elements are part of the problem here.

[Alf]

I'm no fan of the Green Party, but I'm fairly sure what that woman said was tongue in cheek.

The scary thing is those who took her seriously and agreed with her.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The earlier they're aware, the better indeed.
I know in France they tried it as from the age of 6 to 18, but the funds for those classes were cut after a few years. A shame really because it received good feedback from all.

My daughter is 11 now and from my experiences of her interactions with the boys in her class - you have until they're about 9. Which is really shocking but that's the age (around Primary 5) that a portion of the "lads" turn into little misogynistic arseholes... they're all just kids up until that point. Yes you get the "ugh no that's girls stuff/boys stuff" kid drama before then, but at 9/10 it starts to take on that properly insidious misogyny that carries on right through the teens for (frankly) most, and into adulthood for many.

There are the "good eggs" but they're being mocked into introversion already. The girls themselves these days are thankfully very vocal and able to hold their own, or more, we may have created a bit of a warrior .

It does however strike/worry me quite often that the physical gap hasn't immerged yet at 11 and while the girls can easily take on a group of skinny little boys without any worries, the picture starts to look very different once you get to the mid teens and the boys can (and do) physically intimidate as well.

But yeah... 9/10 years old before you've started losing them. actual children, the situation is dire.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was pretty obvious that the MP who suggested this wasn't seriously suggesting it, but was saying it to prove a point. The vast majority of sexual assaults and attacks are committed by men, a majority of violent crime in general is committed by men.

Most men are too concerned with being all like 'well, that's not me, #notallmen', and it's an attitude that allows such violence to prosper by washing their hands of involvement. Cultural norms, a lack of educating men in particular in empathy, an acceptance of lad culture. All elements are part of the problem here.

Yeah they're like "I don't do it so don't say all men".
But like there's a reason women are scared, there is a reason most sexual assault are committed by men as you pointed out. It's that there is a big enough concern for women to speak up about it to make ALL men involved in this.

I have a friend who is a teacher, and as mentionned earlier, there were such workshops/lessons in high school about it in France. Some of her students came back the next day saying "this is bullsh!t, what you said is not true, men are better than women" etc And she felt discouraged because what she was trying to teach them at school was destroyed at home.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Yeah they're like "I don't do it so don't say all men".
But like there's a reason women are scared, there is a reason most sexual assault are committed by men as you pointed out. It's that there is a big enough concern for women to speak up about it to make ALL men involved in this.

I have a friend who is a teacher, and as mentionned earlier, there were such workshops/lessons in high school about it in France. Some of her students came back the next day saying "this is bullsh!t, what you said is not true, men are better than women" etc And she felt discouraged because what she was trying to teach them at school was destroyed at home.

The elephant in the room is that a lot of that kind of attitude is cultural

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The elephant in the room is that a lot of that kind of attitude is cultural

Well yes, the strength of what's being taught at home will always massively outweigh what's taught in school and even from peers with a lot of this stuff. For example, if there's a kid at school spouting sectarianism, you can bet your bottom dollar that Dad's at home watching the Rangers game. *ahem*

On the other hand, offering an alternative view (and a strong one) is important because you WILL get divergence from parent's attitudes in kids and teens. A spark of "Umm I'm not sure this is right..." when hearing what their parents are saying, but that can quickly be stamped out if there isn't an alternative view being offered... if it's all you hear, you're eventually going to think "hmm I guess it MUST be right then".

[Jessica.]

Yeah I don't like that idea, also there's a good chance that a man will intervene and help out if someone is attacking another person anyway. People just need to be educated not to prey on the vulnerable.

[GoldHeart]

People can't even follow lockdown Covid rules, so how on earth would they follow this ridiculous curfew.

And the muggers , perverts and killers will still prey on the vulnerable . Plus what about female perpetrators?.

[Denver]

Maybe a bit controversial but i think Self Defence classes should be made as part of PE lessons

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Denver

Maybe a bit controversial but i think Self Defence classes should be made as part of PE lessons

They wouldn't hurt but unfortunately they're largely not much use. Until you get to the "highest tiers" of martial arts/combat sports (basically professional), the height/weight disadvantage is really all that matters.

Even for men fighting men, a non-pro 5'7 karate blackbelt is likely to be flattened by a 200lb 6'2 guy with no fight training.

[arista]

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

A temporary 6pm curfew for men so women to feel safer walking home in the evening.

What are your feelings?

What if it a brother or a dad walking there sister or daughter home from work

[Redway]

A 6pm curfew would be absolute nonsense.

[bots]

a 6pm curfew is also completely impractical. Also, men would just start identifying as women and no-one would be able to question it

[Niamh.]

I don't think it was a serious suggestion it was just to maybe get men to understand how ridiculous and unfair it is when it's suggested women should have a curfew for safety

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Would probably be more unsafe for women, as all the guys that would be aid/helpful in a dangerous situation would be at home, whilst the extremely small minority of guys that would offend would have more empty streets making it easier to carry through on an assault... making it more unsafe for women. Such a dumb idea for so many reasons (including for women)

And this is a good argument too.

Edit... I get that it was tongue in cheek now, apologies for being an idiot.

[Toy Soldier]

See arista this is what happens when you resurrect 6+ month old threads.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

See arista this is what happens when you resurrect 6+ month old threads.

I've got to stop charging in and just read the whole thread first.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was pretty obvious that the MP who suggested this wasn't seriously suggesting it, but was saying it to prove a point. The vast majority of sexual assaults and attacks are committed by men, a majority of violent crime in general is committed by men.

Most men are too concerned with being all like 'well, that's not me, #notallmen', and it's an attitude that allows such violence to prosper by washing their hands of involvement. Cultural norms, a lack of educating men in particular in empathy, an acceptance of lad culture. All elements are part of the problem here.

Most men are like women, and refuse to be associated or labelled with human scum.