[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

get off your fence
Will You

Mock clocked

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m reading that the rainbow poppy cost is £8 and as with a red one, the funds go to support the Royal British Legion…so does it matter, really…it’s all funding the same thing and representing a support of …so it’s personal choice, surely…as to which poppy colour someone wears…

This in a nutshell. Very well put Ammi.

[joeysteele]

I've no objection to it whatsoever.
Less and less poppies are now being bought and worn over the last decade or so.

So anything that ignites new or continued awareness of support can only be a positive.

Myself I'll still purchase the red poppy but welcome anything old or new that will help this cause

[Livia]

We wear poppies to raise money for the British Legion, that helps ex-service personnel. The poppy is red because of the red poppies that sprung up after the carnage in Flanders following WW1. The red poppy stands for everyone, every colour, every sexual persuasion. It's for everyone affected by war. Why anyone would want to single out a particular group is beyond me. It shows that people have forgotten why we wear a poppy.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've no objection to it whatsoever.
Less and less poppies are now being bought and worn over the last decade or so.

So anything that ignites new or continued awareness of support can only be a positive.

Myself I'll still purchase the red poppy but welcome anything old or new that will help this cause

My personal view is that, people should be taught at an early age that the freedoms we now enjoy were hard fought for and that people died in the pursuance of them. Singling out gay people who have been affected just marginalises them more. Are gay people not an integral part of society? Are they not as important? Why do they need to be treated as a separate part of society? Like Cherie said, why not one for women? And one for people with brown eyes? And a blue one maybe, for people who vote Tory.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Beso

I would rather they didnt wear it. The red poppy remembers ALL fallen, not just the straight ones.

I actually agree with this. Stuff like this just perpetuates the "us and them" mentality that we should be moving away from.

I'm gay, I wear a rainbow bracelet, I'm all for expression of LGBT pride, I just don't think this was needed. But as has been said, the proceeds are all going to the same place so there's that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

My personal view is that, people should be taught at an early age that the freedoms we now enjoy were hard fought for and that people died in the pursuance of them. Singling out gay people who have been affected just marginalises them more. Are gay people not an integral part of society? Are they not as important? Why do they need to be treated as a separate part of society? Like Cherie said, why not one for women? And one for people with brown eyes? And a blue one maybe, for people who vote Tory.

Well I'm not at all the only person on here who has said I don't object to this at all.
So why I've been responded to over others I find odd

I stated I'd personally STILL buy only the red poppy
I'm well aware what they stand for, two of my Brothers, not in wartime obviously, served in the RAF.

Quite honestly and unfortunately people in their thinking and attitude changes, I'd rather see more awareness made to the cause and more sold so more funds raised.
If this particular poppy or even other variations of the poppy were not wanted by some, then none or few will sell.

I can't however speak for the gay community, I'm not one of their number.
You'd need to ask someone who is.
However in my view all groupings and indeed individuals are part of society.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well I'm not at all the only person on here who has said I don't object to this at all.
So why I've been responded to over others I find odd

I stated I'd personally STILL buy only the red poppy
I'm well aware what they stand for, two of my Brothers, not in wartime obviously, served in the RAF.

Quite honestly and unfortunately people in their thinking and attitude changes, I'd rather see more awareness made to the cause and more sold so more funds raised.
If this particular poppy or even other variations of the poppy were not wanted by some, then none or few will sell.

I can't however speak for the gay community, I'm not one of their number.
You'd need to ask someone who is.
However in my view all groupings and indeed individuals are part of society.

Because it's a discussion forum, I like you and I responded to your opinion with my own. Nothing more sinister than that. I'm surprised you think there might have been more to it. There wasn't.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I actually agree with this. Stuff like this just perpetuates the "us and them" mentality that we should be moving away from.

I'm gay, I wear a rainbow bracelet, I'm all for expression of LGBT pride, I just don't think this was needed. But as has been said, the proceeds are all going to the same place so there's that.

Great post...

Like you say, I'm all for being proud of who you are. But Remembrance is a bigger picture.

I didn't realise the proceeds were going to the British Legion, but it doesn't surprise me. In the last couple of years they've spent around £70k pa of money they raised by donation on recruiting a diversity officer.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because it's a discussion forum, I like you and I responded to your opinion with my own. Nothing more sinister than that. I'm surprised you think there might have been more to it. There wasn't.

Well that's fine and thank you.

Plus I'm always happy to discuss any issues with yourself.
Because despite at times clashes happened.
On many issues I do respect your view and opinion.

We live and learn.
I was more just curious why I was responded to however it pleases me immensely to think you feel able to do so.
So my apologies for the first part of my reply to your response Livia.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well that's fine and thank you.

Plus I'm always happy to discuss any issues with yourself.
Because despite at times clashes happened.
On many issues I do respect your view and opinion.

We live and learn.
I was more just curious why I was responded to however it pleases me immensely to think you feel able to do so.
So my apologies for the first part of my reply to your response Livia.

Yes, we've clashed. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned. No need to apologise.

[Antinous]

Rip to Hector Hugh Munro and all the other LGBT veterans who fought for this island. Homosexulity wasn't legalised until 1967 and the last gay man was sent to prison in 1994.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

get off your fence
Will You

I'm leaning on not thinking it's that big of a deal tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Mock clocked

On Halloween no less.

[bots]

people can do what they want. If they want a new poppy, go for it, just so long as the money gets to the people it is supposed to, which is surely the only point that matters

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

people can do what they want. If they want a new poppy, go for it, just so long as the money gets to the people it is supposed to, which is surely the only point that matters

…yeah, how I feel as well…I can’t imagine anyone who is helped with Royal British Legion funding/grant being anything other than thankful because it’s all very much needed and the selling of poppy pins etc, whatever their shade or colour….helps so much with that being able to give back to those who need it…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

people can do what they want. If they want a new poppy, go for it, just so long as the money gets to the people it is supposed to, which is surely the only point that matters

Lets hope silly stunts like this do not deter people from giving full stop

[arista]

Originally Posted by bots

people can do what they want. If they want a new poppy, go for it, just so long as the money gets to the people it is supposed to, which is surely the only point that matters

Yes the Money
is going away from what it is
meant to go to.




LGBT charity

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I actually agree with this. Stuff like this just perpetuates the "us and them" mentality that we should be moving away from.

I'm gay, I wear a rainbow bracelet, I'm all for expression of LGBT pride, I just don't think this was needed. But as has been said, the proceeds are all going to the same place so there's that.

Great post and Livia explaining the meaning of the red poppy thank you

Playing devils advocate it is probably more of a money making scheme for the British Legion if sales have been falling

8.00 a pop for a bit of coloured metal is pretty steep

[Benjamin]

I’m in agreement, I don’t see a need for it when the red poppy is to remember everyone. But as mentioned, at least the proceeds are all going to the same place.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Antinous

Rip to Hector Hugh Munro and all the other LGBT veterans who fought for this island. Homosexulity wasn't legalised until 1967 and the last gay man was sent to prison in 1994.

So no gay men have committed crimes in thirty years? Or someone was arrested for being gay nearly thirty years after it was legalised?

[Nicky91]

no need for a LGBT poppy



a red poppy is good as it is, its for everyone who want to remember our fallen war heroes

[Quantum Boy]

I don't see the "need" for it but there's no "need" for a lot of things. People get themselves awfully wound up about some very unimportant things, don't they.

If you don't want one, don't buy one, buy the other one, or don't buy any of them, whatever.

[Livia]

Over 50,000 Jews fought for the UK in WW2. They don't need a separate poppy because they were a minority, they're included under the red poppy. As is every other minority group. There's a red ribbon to raise money and awareness for AIDS. Do we need a different colour according the the sufferers sexuality? No, we don't.

[Liam-]

Oh god who cares? If it gets more people donating to the cause at the heart of it, what’s the problem?

People are so annoying