[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

Something is wrong with Labour
they say it will affect around 500 Farmers


But around 30,000 Farmers or much more
are on their way to London.

Yes there's major discrepancy in the figures which is why they shouldn't have rushed this through with zero stakeholder consultation

Originally Posted by Beso

Absolutely disgusting.

So you can buy a farm and get away scot free on these taxes, but if your family has ran a farm for decades and sometimes centuries as it's their way of life, handed down to family members who will have worked on the farm as children and adults. Getting up early every morning to care for and feed the animals in order to fill the supermarket shelves. A century of a families hard work and determination spat back in the faces of these hard working families by this inept and dangerous government, whilst the opportunists buying farms to make a quick killing are let off Scot free.

Disgusting.

Well said parm

[bots]

not wishing to cloud anyones thinking, but i believe the farming community has always predominantly voted tory

[Zizu]

Didn’t things go wrong when the farmers started getting paid to NOT to grow crops


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

not wishing to cloud anyones thinking, but i believe the farming community has always predominantly voted tory

In my view, that doesn't matter too much
They moan at Conservative governments too.
They were at odds with the one just put out.

Like my Grandad said, all he'd ever heard or seen of Farmers was them constantly moaning about all governments and never happy on much at all..
For him that was from the 1920s to the 2000s.

Looks to me like he was more right.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bots

not wishing to cloud anyones thinking, but i believe the farming community has always predominantly voted tory

... okay?

So Tory voters deserve to be hit by unfair taxes?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

... okay?

So Tory voters deserve to be hit by unfair taxes?

Pensioners are predominantly tory voters too, starting to see a pattern?

[Alf]

They put thousands and thousands of illegals in Ritzy hotels for hundreds of millions of your pounds. But they keep smirking in your face that they don't have any money.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bots

Pensioners are predominantly tory voters too, starting to see a pattern?

Yes you're right but now Labour are in a position of actually having a lot of rural MPs. Trouble is none of those MPs are in positions of influence because they're all very new so have been left just trying to defend this to their furious constituents

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bots

Pensioners are predominantly tory voters too, starting to see a pattern?

Ahh, gotcha.

[Cherie]

The way the world is turning, food security should be up there as the highest priority, if we are all starved there will be no one to use the NHS, what if Chinese investors come in and buy all the small farms up when they have to sell....

Very disingenous of Rachel Thieves to mention the NHS as the beneficiary

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have they not learned anything about not being self sufficient for food? force farmers out of business and we will be in the same boat as we are for gas .... madness.. 1 million pounds is nothing in relation to a farm, a piece of machinery could be worth half a million, farmers are generally asset rich and cash poor, we should be backing the farmers, this is where our food comes from... do we really want to be relying on imports, and as for Reeves saying its needed for the NHS...what an appalling this to say, I think everyone is heartily sick of governments throwing money at the NHS with no visible improvement

We should have enough food for half of Europe if we had all the farmers working their land flat out .. thousands more in employment


Its pure madness how much food we import


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[UserSince2005]

As a person from a family of farmer I glad about the changes. Dirty cousins stole the farm from me because their dad was the first child and my mum didn’t want to put up fight. **** em

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The way the world is turning, food security should be up there as the highest priority, if we are all starved there will be no one to use the NHS, what if Chinese investors come in and buy all the small farms up when they have to sell....

Very disingenous of Rachel Thieves to mention the NHS as the beneficiary

They're either stupid, or spitefully greedy.

Stupid, because they can't see how these tax hikes will impact the UK's ability to produce its own food, and how losing farmland and therefore importing even more will have a massive carbon footprint... as well as costs increasing for everyone, which always hits the poor the hardest...

Or spitefully greedy because they know but don't care about any of that, and just want more money in their coffers, whatever the cost for living standards.

[arista]

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

I wouldn't go so far as to call anyone stupid, there certainly are a lot of ignorant "city folk" involved in and commenting on this issue.

The alleged value of farming land doesn't truly represent how much money the farmers have or make, it's how much they'd make if they sold the land to developers.
They're not sitting on the money it would cost to pay the inheritance tax, they'd literally have to sell their land to pay it.

But some people don't see that, they just assume farmers are literal millionaires when they're working physically demanding and largely thankless jobs - to feed the country.

The politicians just don't seem to understand or care about food security.


This new tax will just kill family farms, and for what? A few extra pennies which will just be pissed up the wall like all the other tax money?

Better to focus on efficiency reforms - Whitehall and the likes are way too bloated, think about how much tax money could be saved by making cuts there.

[arista]

While Parliament had their Final PMQ's
yesterday.
The Farmers were in Central London with another protest.

[The Slim Reaper]

Make them pay the same inheritance tax as everyone else who qualifies. I've seen tractors blocking Ambulances today, so i wonder why this forum doesn't consider them to be on a level with JSO protestors?

Imagine defending the financial interests of wealthy land owners over your own abilty to breath clean air.

the serfdom and feudalism of the dark ages is alive and well in 2024.

5 years in prison for every farmer, blocking in traffic, eh lads? Lads?

Farming has been most hurt by Brexit in recent years, but yet they overwhelmingly supported that.

[James]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Make them pay the same inheritance tax as everyone else who qualifies. I've seen tractors blocking Ambulances today, so i wonder why this forum doesn't consider them to be on a level with JSO protestors?

Imagine defending the financial interests of wealthy land owners over your own abilty to breath clean air.

the serfdom and feudalism of the dark ages is alive and well in 2024.

5 years in prison for every farmer, blocking in traffic, eh lads? Lads?

Farming has been most hurt by Brexit in recent years, but yet they overwhelmingly supported that.

According to polling the numbers voting for Leave in the Brexit referendum was about the same as the general population.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...4301671930436X

[bots]

Farmers can avoid inheritance tax by registering their business as a private company. What they want is to have their cake and eat it. They want to be seen as property owners to avoid the tax associated with running a company. They can't have their cake and eat it, no-one else does

[Beso]

Sign me up.

[Livia]

When farmers can't afford the inheritance tax they will be forced to part with land. Watch as that land is covered with solar panels and wind farms.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

When farmers can't afford the inheritance tax they will be forced to part with land. Watch as that land is covered with solar panels and wind farms.

the government need land to build houses on, so it's win/win for them

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

According to polling the numbers voting for Leave in the Brexit referendum was about the same as the general population.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...4301671930436X

Thanks for the info. I thought it was wildly different to this.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Imagine defending the financial interests of wealthy land owners

How are they wealthy land owners? Farmers aren't rich, and they'd have to sell that land to pay the inheritance tax.

Why are Labour targeting the people who want to feed the country, and keep it green?