[Crimson Dynamo]

Is there a dogging community
When do they get represented?

[letmein]

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by letmein

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

That is a real load of bigotry and conjecture. Wow

It's 2025 dude

Stop please

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by letmein

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

Well said!

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

That is a real load of bigotry and conjecture. Wow

It's 2025 dude

Stop please

So much hatred for a guy with well known mental health issues. Love wins? Ok cool.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Swan

So much hatred for a guy with well known mental health issues. Love wins? Ok cool.

Where was the hatred towards Mickey in that comment? It's a critique about people like yourself for viewing someone you know has mental health issues as your entertainment.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Where was the hatred towards Mickey in that comment? It's a critique about people like yourself for viewing someone you know has mental health issues as your entertainment.

More about the lack of empathy.

BIB. We're, and have always been guilty of that when it comes to shows like BB

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He will be absolutely devastated

You all are

[Cherie]

Jo Jo volunteering to pack his bags, how will the community cope with this turn of events

[Zizu]

She probably tied all his shoe laces together and mixed up all his medicine tablets

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by letmein

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

He lost 99% of my sympathy when I found out he had clearly very plausible domestic violence charges against him (likely only dropped because his partner at the time didn't want to pursue them) and it was cemented by finding out he's pals with rancid old Johnny Depp. Birds of a feather, etc.

He was entertaining to watch in there for a few days but nothing about him is in any way likeable.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Swan

So much hatred for a guy with well known mental health issues. Love wins? Ok cool.

Yep! No empathy whatsoever. What a surprise.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Swan

So much hatred for a guy with well known mental health issues. Love wins? Ok cool.

Where was the hatred? At worst it was a post full of pity. The guy needs therapy but it’s a shame at 72 he’s only just figured that out.

People around him failed him really which is sad but he’s too old to still not be taking accountability for his own actions and it doesn’t mean everyone around him needs to excuse awful behaviour.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Yep! No empathy whatsoever. What a surprise.

“Straight, white man who says homophobic and sexually inappropriate stuff is deserving of empathy” says Reform supporter in most predictable opinion ever.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Is there a dogging community
When do they get represented?

Why does it bother you so much somebody has posed a question to the LGBTQ+ community over a person who said homophobic comments, that you need make a quite frankly ridiculous post like that?

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by BBXX

“Straight, white man who says homophobic and sexually inappropriate stuff is deserving of empathy” says Reform supporter in most predictable opinion ever.

Everyone is always worthy of empathy. It's.not the same as sympathy.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Everyone is always worthy of empathy. It's.not the same as sympathy.

The literal meaning of empathy is the understand or share the feeling of or have an affinity with a person. I don’t have that with someone who engages in homophobic and sexist remarks.

I have sympathy and pity for him because I think he should have gotten help a long time ago but that doesn’t mean I have to excuse a growing list of bad behaviour, especially at the age of 72.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Is there a dogging community
When do they get represented?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Why does it bother you so much somebody has posed a question to the LGBTQ+ community over a person who said homophobic comments, that you need make a quite frankly ridiculous post like that?

Tbf, he might've seen someone from the LGBTQ community become a Celtic fan back when he was a kid, and it's probably traumatized him.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Why does it bother you so much somebody has posed a question to the LGBTQ+ community over a person who said homophobic comments, that you need make a quite frankly ridiculous post like that?

Dude’s a dinosaur. A big roar with tiny arms and hands.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Dude’s a dinosaur. A big roar with tiny arms and hands.

It's good to see you're back.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The literal meaning of empathy is the understand or share the feeling of or have an affinity with a person. I don’t have that with someone who engages in homophobic and sexist remarks.

I have sympathy and pity for him because I think he should have gotten help a long time ago but that doesn’t mean I have to excuse a growing list of bad behaviour, especially at the age of 72.

…even in the short time of knowing anything of him in the BB house…?..we’ve still seen with the age thing that he doesn't really consider any impact or upset of anything he says and so that ‘learning from’ just isn’t happening in that he upset and offended Ella so shortly after saying…yes, yes I understand etc when BB gave him the official warning post upsetting JoJo…

…with regards to empathy…?…I can understand that, that can wear a bit thin for some/many as well because empathy is also a two way thing and Mickey does speak words of ‘I never want to upset’ but then proceeds and continues to upset…and those people that he’s offending/upsetting…?…they also don’t live in a world of that moment in BB…they also have p life experiences and attachments etc that are equally deserving of empathy and understanding…and what can often happen in BB and similar reality…is that thoughts for others can get dismissed in focusing on one particular person …

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…even in the short time of knowing anything of him in the BB house…?..we’ve still seen with the age thing that he doesn't really consider any impact or upset of anything he says and so that ‘learning from’ just isn’t happening in that he upset and offended Ella so shortly after saying…yes, yes I understand etc when BB gave him the official warning post upsetting JoJo

Precisely and I think we also need to consider the words he used and the things he said have never been okay. Being old and from another generation doesn't wash.

The word fag when referring to a gay person has always been an insult, and the only reason it used to be okay to say was because it used to be okay to insult gay people for being gay. The word hasn't changed and the intent behind it hasn't changed either.

It's not like the lingo has changed and he's having trouble remembering what's fine and what's not. He used insults, that have always been insults and the only difference between then and now was that saying homophobic stuff was okay and now it isn't.

And at 72 you don't get to play the old man card with that. He's not been cryogenically frozen for the last 20-30 years, he's been a living adult at the point of change.

[Abra]

I wasn't personally offended by anything he said, but I don't get offended easily, but I don't condone his words or behaviour either.
The issue is, instances like this on TV and in the media then leads to days worth of people defending someone using homophobic slurs and justifying it as "just a joke" or whatever, so it has a knock-on effect besides just the contestants in the show and it seems like a concerted push to normalise and mainstream that type of homophobia again. There are ways of being humorous and making jokes without using slurs but Mickey has a serious lack of self awareness and respect for others. Plus his sexual remarks towards JoJo and Ella were just gross.

[Lostie!]

I'm not gonna label someone homophobic because of an off colour joke, I think his respectful relationship with Danny calls for more nuance to the discussion than that.

That said, JoJo's offense in the moment was entirely valid, she was the recipient and she's the only one who gets to say how she should feel. She and Mickey didn't have a long time, close friendship where that sort of banter may work, they were essentially strangers, I do think he meant it as an edgy joke but it didn't land and that's on him.

So yeah, I wouldn't call him homophobic. He seems like somebody who isn't often around loud and proud LGBT people like Danny and JoJo but he was clearly fond of Danny and I do feel like his relationship with JoJo was strengthening after their moment. I found it interesting, it made the show feel like an actual social experiment again.

The "I'll tie you up" part was the more problematic part for me, that crossed a whole other line.