[Ellen]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

he did, but only after David had enough of his rudeness and told him to do it himself

Gary took the ice pack and said he had done it numerous times before, David said ok i'll leave you to do it and left. Why would you want someone helping who is annoyed with you I wouldnt.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Gary took the ice pack and said he had done it numerous times before, David said ok i'll leave you to do it and left. Why would you want someone helping who is annoyed with you I wouldnt.

Then on the other hand, i wouldn't and I'm sure, many other people wouldn't annoy someone who was being helpful to me

[Josy]

Only on TiBB could Gary falling over and daring to say he needed more ice make him a problem, rude and ungrateful.

Deary me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

Only on TiBB could Gary falling over and daring to say he needed more ice make him a problem, rude and ungrateful.

Deary me.

LOL.... so true.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

Only on TiBB could Gary falling over and daring to say he needed more ice make him a problem, rude and ungrateful.

Deary me.

I haven't seen anyone say he's rude and ungrateful because he fell over, so i dont quite understand that statement

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I haven't seen anyone say he's rude and ungrateful because he fell over, so i dont quite understand that statement

I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.

He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Josy

I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.

He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.

ice is a drug in the usa

[Josy]

Originally Posted by michael21

ice is a drug in the usa

Thanks for that extremely well thought out contribution to this discussion Michael.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Josy

Thanks for that extremely well thought out contribution to this discussion Michael.

your welcome

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.

He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.

He's being labelled ungrateful and rude for the way he speaks to people who are trying to help him.. if he needed more ice he needed more ice, David told him multiple times he would do him more ice, but he just kept repeating it wasn't enough even though he heard what David said, It's not about him wanting more ice, it's about the way he went about saying he needed more ice, he came off really rude and incredibly ungrateful to David for trying to help him, not once did he say thank you or anything, that's just common courtesy

[bots]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

He's being labelled ungrateful and rude for the way he speaks to people who are trying to help him.. if he needed more ice he needed more ice, David told him multiple times he would do him more ice, but he just kept repeating it wasn't enough even though he heard what David said, It's not about him wanting more ice, it's about the way he went about saying he needed more ice, he came off really rude and incredibly ungrateful to David for trying to help him, not once did he say thank you or anything, that's just common courtesy

Pain is painful you know. If one is in serious pain, all sorts can be said, none of which could ever be considered rude and ungrateful.

The house is completely lacking in any form of human compassion, its disgusting to watch actually.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

I never said they did Liam, you twisted my post.

He is being labelled rude and ungrateful for daring to say he needed more ice.

So if someone brought you an icepack and you wanted another one, would you say abruptly that one wasn't enough and not thank them? Or would you say 'thanks, would you mind getting me another one as well'?

[Parumpapapump]

Originally Posted by Scream

People online seem to all be on board of the 'Gary's being bullied' bandwagon but are people sure that's the case?

Even though a lot of people will follow the crowd, isn't it weird that almost all of the house apart from Frency...who is a troublemaker herself, seem to dislike Gary.

I understand that Gary has a mental illness and might react in a different way to one of the other housemates but in all honestly, why would you want to be around someone who you're living with for 24/7 when they constantly tell you to be quiet so they can speak or make you sit there for ages while they explain to you about how they've lived for 32 past lives. It might be okay if you could disagree and add input but Gary doesn't let people do that.

I think Gary is the main problem here and I'm not really sure if he should be put in. I dislike James and find him a little bit too eager for an argument but the other day Gary was going on and on to start an argument and it was very clear what he was doing but people on twitter still claimed that James was bullying Gary?

they all need to shut up and listen to what gary actually says rather than butting in on him all the time..like james when gary was trying to explain something last night wankstain already had his mind made up as to what he thought gary was going to say, he, as usual was wrong.

[Bluerang1]

Gary was being ungrateful and even rude, there was a bettet way he could have spoken. David was being insincere as revealed by his outburst.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Pain is painful you know. If one is in serious pain, all sorts can be said, none of which could ever be considered rude and ungrateful.

The house is completely lacking in any form of human compassion, its disgusting to watch actually.

Yes i do know pain is painful, please don't try and speak down to me, it's not appreciated nor is it needed.
It doesn't matter if you're in pain or not, the way he was talking was rude and he was being ungrateful, pain is not an excuse.. he fell over, he wasn't giving birth.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't think Gary's causing the problems no.

I do think it is showing how intolerant people (some people) are and can be to other's peoples difficulties, I do not think it's bullying at all Gary can be awkward and annoying at times just like everyone else can but he is in no way 'insufferable'

They just can't be bothered to deal with Gary's hearing or other problems so the easy thing for them to do is isolate him, when they do need to repeat themselves and things like that they get annoyed about it as if it's a waste of their time.

Take the conversation with James from last nights highlights as an example. He was annoyed at Gary before they have even started having the conversation, he looked at Gary in disgust as if he wasn't entitled to join the conversation, the man is entitled to have an opinion and try to interact with the group.

That. Well said.

I also think some of the audience who are complaining about him are not actually listening to what he is saying. I've seen conversations completely misquoted in this forum. For instance earlier someone mentioned the Lauren and James conversation and him butting in. What he actually said when James kept asking her to sing is that she was embarrassed and you can't force her then for some reason James decided he was the dancing Brad Pitt and accused Gary of starting an argument.

Someone said in another thread he told David his help wasn't enough. What Gary actually said was the ice David brought wasn't enough to ease the injury it needed more ice. The housemates and some viewers just aren't listening to what he is actually saying because they don't like him.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Yes i do know pain is painful, please don't try and speak down to me, it's not appreciated nor is it needed.
It doesn't matter if you're in pain or not, the way he was talking was rude and he was being ungrateful, pain is not an excuse.. he fell over, he wasn't giving birth.

Sorry, but people in pain can say many things, to get the pain to finish quicker.

I can understand people not liking Gary, that's fine, but coming out with crap that he is ungrateful when he is in pain is just beyond acceptable to me.

That's all i'm going to say on the subject

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Sorry, but people in pain can say many things, to get the pain to finish quicker.

I can understand people not liking Gary, that's fine, but coming out with crap that he is ungrateful when he is in pain is just beyond acceptable to me.

That's all i'm going to say on the subject

It's crap in your opinion.. in mine, he was rude and ungrateful, neither of which should be excused, people make way too many excuses for the man as it is when it comes to his behaviour.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

Gary was being ungrateful and even rude, there was a bettet way he could have spoken. David was being insincere as revealed by his outburst.

So if someone is rude to you when you are being helpful, you would never get annoyed? You must be a saint.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

It's crap in your opinion.. in mine, he was rude and ungrateful, neither of which should be excused, people make way too many excuses for the man as it is when it comes to his behaviour.

You didn't hear what he actually said. You should watch it again. You completely misquoted Gary.

[jet]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That. Well said.

I also think some of the audience who are complaining about him are not actually listening to what he is saying. I've seen conversations completely misquoted in this forum. For instance earlier someone mentioned the Lauren and James conversation and him butting in. What he actually said when James kept asking her to sing is that she was embarrassed and you can't force her then for some reason James decided he was the dancing Brad Pitt and accused Gary of starting an argument.

Someone said in another thread he told David his help wasn't enough. What Gary actually said was the ice David brought wasn't enough to ease the injury it needed more ice. The housemates and some viewers just aren't listening to what he is actually saying because they don't like him.

Well nobody is saying that in this thread. We all know he was complaining that one ice pack wasn't enough. He was still rude though.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

Well nobody is saying that in this thread. We all know he was complaining that one ice pack wasn't enough. He was still rude though.

So imagine a scenario, old man falls in the park and someone brings him ice, old man has a fair bit of injury experience and explains the ice won't be enough, he's in pain. How is that rude? What would your reaction be throw the ice at him?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You didn't hear what he actually said. You should watch it again. You completely misquoted Gary.

What did i misquote exactly?

[puzzled]

I think Gary has been treated dreadfully by the HMs, and I like him, but he was rude to David, who was trying to help. He's human, and maybe it was the pain, or frustration, but it still was rude.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So imagine a scenario, old man falls in the park and someone brings him ice, old man has a fair bit of injury experience and explains the ice won't be enough, he's in pain. How is that rude? What would your reaction be throw the ice at him?

No-one is saying he was rude for saying he needed more ice, read my reply to Josy's post, people are saying he was rude for the way he went about it and spoke to David, not for the act of saying he needed more ice, you seem to be the one misquoting people.